Diva Vs. Real Analog

[ghettosynth]

@ghettosynth, i like ultra analog, i disagree. it sounds good *enough* in a lot of situations, the cpu usage is barely noticeable on a modern cpu, and i find i can make it fit the mix quite well, if i need a bass or pad

Yeah man, I don't have that problem. I'm never low on cpu. I don't disagree, btw, it does sound "good enough", but that standard applies to a lot of free stuff.

I can't think of any situation where I'd bother to load it when I have something else available. I don't even think that I reinstalled it on the last machine upgrade.

I do use the ableton version of it from time to time just because there are a lot of convenient patches. If it wasn't a built in instrument though, I wouldn't miss it.

[Aroused by JarJar]

Watch, I'll go advertise my AAS in the marketplace for $99 and see how much howling it causes.

Not arguing with you anymore, I think we've made our points, just curious- what's the story behind this? Is this synth unloved or something?

It was/is a well respected synth that, for whatever reason, was sold on an audio-midi no-brainer for $15 a few years back. Since then, it's really difficult to sell a used copy of it for more than about $30 or so because most people remember that it sold for $15 and that's the value that they place on it in their minds.

The product still retails for $199, however.

Personally, I never use mine. I bought it based on the proclamations here that it was the greatest thing since sliced cheese and that $15 just wasn't much to risk.

Since then I've learned quite a bit about who can do what and I don't bother with no-brainers, they are usually tired programs needing a boost.

Aha- that's pretty funny.

It is true (it seems to me) that there is a whole lot of selling dreams in the audio software market. There's kind of a sado-maso thing going on in that: "analog" and "hardware" are deified, in order to give perceived value to software (just like the Real Thing!) but this has the effect of devaluing software in the perception of users, too.

[fluxmind]

Diva Vs. Real Analog

I think there's no audio examples, because those who own real deals aren't willing to show any, because Diva gets that close, that it's hard to admit, that most can get, Thanks to Urs, The analog character at a fraction of the price. Even though Urs mentioned that's not 1:1, but it's still that much close, that it drives those wireheads so much nuts , as you've already witnessed some of their outbursts like this

It's like whose things which everybody use, but nobody mentions or if mentions then bash it (Vengeance) So it's hard time for them now, to know, that any can have juno ITB

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[SJ_Digriz]

I wasn't talking about the express version, but, even if the express edition doesn't work for you, it's still a sophisticated product that took many man years to develop and microsoft provides it for free to anyone.

hmm ... comparing the marketing and distribution models for a product that has the potential to reach 10s, maybe 100s of millions of users, distributed by a company with billions of dollars for R&D + marketing to a mom&pop niche market limited usually to a few thousand users ... yeah that makes perfect sense.

If you think MS gives away the compilers for free out of the goodness of their hearts and have no way to recoup that investment you need to go back to whatever school let you get that first compiler and take a few econ classes.

[aquar]

I once owned a Prophet 5 and its one of my all time favourate hardware instruments.

Wait... you owned a Prophet 5 (a synth that sold for $3500 in 1980s money currently commands $3000-$4000 on eBay) and you're calling a $179 piece of software "a rich man's toy"?



Also, considering you can barely write, my guess is you can't code at all, or design even the simplest electronic circuit, so why would you think you'd have the right to question how much someone who can makes on their product? I can't design analog synths, or code one either, but I've taken basic classes on each, and let me tell you, coding is not easier and neither task is easy. To get good takes years of learning, practice and trial and error. My guess is the amont of effort to make something like Diva is on par with the design of a hardware synth. The main advantage of the software developer is they don't have to have a manufacturing step. The disadvantages are their hard work often gets pirated and they have to make sure it runs on a giant number of machine/OS/DAW combinations. Not an easy task.

No one's saying you have to buy or like any soft synth, but you you're here in a software forum. May I ask what it is that you do and how much you're paid for it?

The Prophet5 was a gift. I didn't purchase it.
I won't go into the exact details but suffice to say
I wouldn't have had the cash at the time.

Isn't life strange just a couple of days ago someone actually praised my
use of the English language even though its not my native language.
So for you to tell me that I can hardly write does come as a slight insult.
I'd like to see you write semi-fluently (I hope that's what I am doing) in another language before becoming judge and jury on my abilities. Really it's not so easy.

As for coding I couldn't code myself out of a wet paper bag but I honestly don't think that is relvant. I certainly don't think my lack of coding skill has anything to do with my previous posts and opinions or do I feel the urgency to defend against it. If anything it sounds like you are clutching at straws when you bring that to the table.

As for what I do or currently don't do ...well that's my business isn't it.?

I still don't get the huge amount of aggression coming from some members here whether its directed towards me or others. We all have an opinion (right or wrong) and I think that's a positive thing in any forum even if it inevitbly leads to some heated arguments or various shaningans that some users would rather not read or become involved in.

I do get the feeling sometimes there's an elitism thing going on here @Kvr or sonic snobbery if you will but it wasnt always that way.
I don't understand that at all especially given the amount of misinformation that's often posted here.

I suppose if I offend you or anyone else you could either request that the ban hammer should fall upon me or better still you could simply ignore what I say and move on.

[Meffy]

For some time this thread's been veering more and more toward personal slagging. The way to avoid a lock is return to discussing software, not what participants think of each other.

[trimph1]

OK...my own take on this whole scenario is this.

We bought our house to live in it..in other words to use it for what it was for..shelter. Some chose to buy based on the idea that it was an investment. Same thing for my car. ...I buy the to use them. Nothing more, nothing less.

If one wanted to carry the hardware vs software discussion further one can look at the physical plant that a recording studio would take up. Think of all the VST's and DAWs in your computer...what if all that was real hardware? Think of the demand that that would have on your energy bills, on maintenance costs...I've got a couple of Ampeg tape machines still here..want to take over the operating costs for that?

I can fully understand why professional recording studios charge as much as they do considering all the operating costs that they have to contend with.

Sure, I still use my hardware synths just as much as I've always done...but I also like me the VST's as well.

Basically, I buy things based on what I can use them for ...not based on investment.

[whyterabbyt]

Jesus, it's a useful product and it was an example of how effort doesn't necessarily translate to price.

I didnt personally need an example of that, thanks. Its just not the best example, given the number of caveats it raises.

It's a LOT more than a demo, you can create useful products with it.

There's nothing intrinisic to demo versions that prevent that, though.

Value is perceived by the user and not intrinsically defined by the product, and certainly not by the effort put into the product.

Given that Ive been saying that here for about ten years, I'm well aware of that. However I'm also aware that the cost of something is often defined by the effort put into production, and that people incorrectly conflate 'value' with 'cost', particularly those who rail most against 'expensive software.' Not even in relative terms, as you assert, sometimes as an absolute.

Bottom line, it's perfectly reasonable, no matter how much it bugs some of you, for someone to think that synth X, including your favorite synth, is not a good value.

Its also perfectly reasonable, no matter how much it bugs some people, for someone to point out that the price point of synth X imay likely be a reasonable charge to cover the amount of effort put into production.

Again, people exaggerate when they are online, cut the guy some slack and get off your high horse.

What high horse are you assuming, and why? My statement addressed your incomplete assertion of the meaning of a term. You dont know what 'the guy' meant, but your presentation of that one single meaning for that term, when there are others, was assumptive and misleading.

[pwal]

did anybody win yet?

[musikmachine]

There are no winners.

[zerocrossing]

What I'm saying is, you're making the same mistake that he is comparing the prices of apples to oranges. I read him as saying that he feels that $180 is too much for a software synth, not that $180, or $1800 even is necessarily too much for ANY synth.

He said softsynths are a rip-off and blamed developers. That is very different than simply saying he does not find it worth his own dollars.

As for a resale value, it does not matter whether I can sell my softsynths in some years. I already lost more on the resale of hardware synths over the years than I will EVER spend on software synths period.

True. It was even brought up that the revered Prophet 5 went from selling for $3500 to $600 at some point. So people lost $2900 on a single instrument. That's a lot more than I've ever spent on software, never mind lost when selling it. Of course, sometimes you hit big, but then again, you can win the lottery too.

Ghetto, you can't say, "I read him as saying." That's not what he said. HIs statement was that Diva was "a rich man's toy." Completely ludicrous, of course. Your "reading" elevates his rant into something that makes sense. What he actually said is much difference. Good day, sir. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!

[zerocrossing]

... or better still you could simply ignore what I say and move on.

Done, and done.

[trimph1]

ummmm...a 'rich man's toy'? At, what, $179.00? And what does that make Omnisphere then? A Billionaire's toy?

[trimph1]

did anybody win yet?

no....