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AdmiralQuality wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:If I had found a Prophet 5 for $600 at any point in history I'd have been thrilled. Maybe a broken one went for that. Or in an estate sale. Or maybe it was a Prophet 600 you're thinking of?
No man, you weren't buying synths at the right time/place. I purchased my Rev3 P5 around 1994 or so, for right at $600. I bought a P600 the same year for $125 and two SH101s for less than $100 each. I could go on, but the prices would just make you sick.

That was the analog synth market in the early nineties. We used to bitch that 303's had become absurdly priced at about $600. It was bad enough when they were $300, but the price was going through the roof for some crazy reason.
I live in Toronto. SH-101s were already cool again by the 90s, though you could have probably got one cheap in the late 80s as by that time it had become what everybody didn't want.
Yeah, you didn't get the good deals in the big cities. I lived in a guitar town that was relatively isolated and the internet wasn't as well known as it is today.
But Prophet 5s were never uncool. Jupiter 6es and 8s. Oberheim OB8s and Xes. They've all largely maintained their sticker prices (it's just, that money is worth less now). I've never understood the 303 thing. If only I could go back in time and buy a warehouse full of the things! :hihi:
You're right of course, and the seller of the P5 knew what he had. But even in the big city they were only getting about $1000. So, $600 for a quick sale was not unreasonable. I bought an OBXa for $300, and OBXs for $100, both long gone. I regularly turned down the DX/DMX drum machines and the DSX sequencers for < $50.

FWIW, I sold the P5 a LONG time ago because, frankly, I think that they're overrated. If it were a Rev2, I might have held on to it, the Rev 3s just don't sound that great to my ears.
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ghettosynth wrote:
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ghettosynth wrote:
We were also talking about analog synths, and in recent years, at least the last 20, I'd say you could break even or do better more often than not. So comparing analog hardware today, and in the reasonable short term future, it's pretty safe to reason that it's going to hold value until you sell. If that's what is really important to someone, then they would be correct in arguing the position that hardware is a better value. You really can't object to this, it's simply true.

If you use that older analog synth every day for 5 years, what would be the expected maintenance cost? How likely is it on 20+ year old equipment for there to be some mechanical/electrical problems that come up from daily use? I didn't find any statistical data online, but I would be surprised if old equipment didn't have relatively frequent repair rate.

Regarding new analog synths, a Little Phatty costs $1300 and I saw one used for sale on Ebay for $1000. So that person is losing $300 which already more than covers the total cost of Diva.

It is my guess that if we had statistical evidence on hand, that you assertion would be incorrect except perhaps in the case of someone who buys a desired vintage synth and keeps it in storage solely as an investment.

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There are a lot of variables. My 1976 Roland analog, which I got for $200 in 1977, still works great, and it has never seen a repair shop except for mods. But that is unusual. My Oberheim FVS-1 four-voice never worked perfectly, and needed constant repair. If you play live, hardware will fail eventually. If a machine never gets moved and sits in a clean studio, it may never need anything.

I often wonder how long I'll be able to use my vsts. I figure 15 years maybe on average if I'm lucky.
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My 20 year old nephew came over to try omnisphere, Oberheim sem V and Diva.
He literally drooled on his shirt and my korg nano pad.

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Gonga wrote:There are a lot of variables. My 1976 Roland analog, which I got for $200 in 1977, still works great
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I often wonder how long I'll be able to use my vsts. I figure 15 years maybe on average if I'm lucky.
Software is forever. It's easier to run Commodore 64 software now than it was when it came out 30 years ago. The problems come when things are tied to hardware or expect another component to work (a challenge-response system is an example of this).

Pick a popular enough OS platform and virtualized hardware environments should mean it's possible to run them far into the future. The only thing stopping that being more practicle, for music applications, are the latencies involved in translating between layers on an emulation, where you really want the emulated environment talking directly to the hardware for realtime audio usage.

If you actually care about running the same things years down the line then keep to standards based instruments (VST) and stay away from OSX. Microsoft are a business services company and are forced to maintain greater legacy compatibility for corporate clients. Apple make almost all of their money from selling new hardware, mostly iOS devices, to consumers.

As such, some say, the main reason they even bother to have the desktops (or "trucks" as they might call them) around any more is to have a developer environment for iOS. It wouldn't surprise me if they drop the desktops entirely over the next few years - leaving laptops, which might transition to iOS devices which can be used for development, and the iMac - which may transition into TV's running iOS. Those who think they'll blink twice at a complete move to iOS obviously have short memories about the move from PowerPC to Intel. But we'll see :)

Hardware wise, usage of commonly available discrete components make repairs easier, where discontinued chips achieve the opposite. So sticking to synths with no discontinued chips is the better strategy for longer term survival. Roland (Juno 106 chip packaging issues aside) do seem to make some of the more reliable synths. But, at 30+ years old, I wouldn't be confident some of them can keep that track record much longer, even if they're "recapped". :)

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djshire wrote:THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
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this thread sucks :p

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hibidy wrote:this thread sucks :p
And where does it do the sucking? :hihi:
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djshire wrote:THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
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Without threads like this how would we know who to mute? :clown:
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:hihi: :hihi:
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zerocrossing wrote:
djshire wrote:THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
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Without threads like this how would we know who to mute? :clown:
Mutatis mutandis.

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bmrzycki wrote:
musikmachine wrote:There are no winners. :cry:
I think this entire thread is an elaborate ploy by the worshippers of Iktomi to spread confusion and discord in accordance with their god's desires. If we somehow managed to agree then the sacred creation of discord and confusion would not arise.
That might explain a few things. :P
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