saturation plug in on the master bus?

[kvaca]

You still can't get extremely fast compressor attacks and releases done properly, like in the micro second region but everything else works just fine and sounds ridiculously good!).

Cheers!
bManic

If fast compressor is impossible THAN tape machines /which were even more interesting for me in time when Nebula started/ are still impossible,too
So afterall-not a big change after 4 years of continuous improvement of Nebula if one have to consider that almost any other plugin company created meantime one or more of fast enough vintage models...which many times also sounds ridiculously good
So,I give them another 4 years and than will check it again...

[BFunKu]

This is my secret weapon for the master bus.

[A.M. Gold]

I haven't laid eyes on that one for years, but I think I still have it. I remember saying "whoa" the first couple times I slapped it on (synth tracks most likely).

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[bmanic]

You still can't get extremely fast compressor attacks and releases done properly, like in the micro second region but everything else works just fine and sounds ridiculously good!).

Cheers!
bManic

If fast compressor is impossible THAN tape machines /which were even more interesting for me in time when Nebula started/ are still impossible,too
So afterall-not a big change after 4 years of continuous improvement of Nebula if one have to consider that almost any other plugin company created meantime one or more of fast enough vintage models...which many times also sounds ridiculously good
So,I give them another 4 years and than will check it again...

Yes. Instantly clipping tape is impossible but you claimed that compressors don't work at all, which is false. They work just fine.

Nebula uses technology which has both advantages and disadvantages. Why not use it for it's strengths and use something else in place for it's weaknesses? Why must it be so black and white?

Cheers!
bManic

[kvaca]

Nebula uses technology which has both advantages and disadvantages. Why not use it for it's strengths and use something else in place for it's weaknesses? Why must it be so black and white?

Cheers!
bManic

-becouse MY problem is that after 4 years experience with Nebula I dont see ANY significant advantages of sampling fx over medeling fx, but I clearly see a lot of disadvantages
/and if I look at ttoz post on page 3 I dont think Im the only one here.../

-and Im NOT against sampling at all-becouse I prefer to use sampled instruments like drums,pianos,organs etc against physical modeling...have no such big problems with disadvantages of sampling here

[Barendse]

Nebula uses technology which has both advantages and disadvantages. Why not use it for it's strengths and use something else in place for it's weaknesses? Why must it be so black and white? :)

Cheers!
bManic

-becouse MY problem is that after 4 years experience with Nebula I dont see ANY significant advantages of sampling fx over medeling fx, but I clearly see a lot of disadvantages :(
/and if I look at ttoz post on page 3 I dont think Im the only one here.../

-and Im NOT against sampling at all-becouse I prefer to use sampled instruments like drums,pianos,organs etc against physical modeling...have no such big problems with disadvantages of sampling here :)

Try these and let me know your findings.

http://rhythminmind.net/1313/?cat=6

[heffus]

wanna know a REALLY cool plugin i bet most of you have never heard of, that sounds BRILLIANT on master bus??

(not bait, real answer coming)

The suspense is killing me.

[Mercado_Negro]

With Nebula it's a love-hate situation everyday because it's a pain to use but its programs are above and beyond any other similar plugin, sound-wise. I wish it were more user-friendly and used less resources but I guess the latter won't happen any time soon.

[sonicpowa]

So you wouldn't put a compressor on the master bus? Because I'm sure you know that compression is one type of saturation.

And I'm also sure you know that there are some saturations that are actually *designed* for the master bus.

So, in other words, you're like, wrong, and stuff.

Compressor is fine, I was talking about actual saturation plugins.
Yes there are saturations designed for the master bus but usually those are not quite good. The only one I can even think about putting on the master is the best Nebula stuff, but I don't.

[eytanmich123]

However there is a point when even i must say, when is enough enough?

NEVER. we seek the best where there is none (when a lot of them are "the best", it can be considered as "None of them" because one can never really pick one and
choose ).

Pick five distortion/saturators of any kind (be it free or not) and you MAY get
the sound of your life (usage experience pending, of course)

no wonder we all sell stuff. we get new stuff, go broke lol and then realise we can get rid of alot of our "older" stuff.

Yes, but hey... it could get a LOT worse. a LOT these are just toys we play
with. each and every one of us, hobbyist or pro. (that's why - IMHO - "old school" pros stick with hardware - they don't have too many options and they
don't have to burden themselves with endless comparisons of "this against that").

My current hero is Camel Crusher (yes - the free one).
Just load it up, set it to "Tube warmth", and dial Mix/Volume to taste (match
the original untreated volume by setting the Mix first. then fine tune with Volume. you can do it the other way around, of course).

Alternatively, I add another copy of CamelCrusher with "Subtle Master" preset engaged. Mix @ 100%, and compensated volume.

There are just too many ways to color/saturate your audio...

[lingyai]

My current hero is Camel Crusher (yes - the free one).
Just load it up, set it to "Tube warmth", and dial Mix/Volume to taste (match
the original untreated volume by setting the Mix first. then fine tune with Volume. you can do it the other way around, of course).

Alternatively, I add another copy of CamelCrusher with "Subtle Master" preset engaged. Mix @ 100%, and compensated volume.

Where do you usually put it in your mastering chain?

[sadkin]

is it coincidence that the Camel Phat banner has been displayed consistently at the bottom of the pages while reading this thread?

I've never tried it but noticed its prevalence and have noticed a few folks giving Camel products a 'nod'.

BTW - tried roundtone, has a similar gooeyness that Magnetic has - it does something to the attack which takes a little more transient edge off the audio than I personally like. Maybe good for some, but for me it would be something that'd get utilized very rarely. Meanwhile, I have been responding more and more favorably to the Waves MPX. I had thought I had preferred the UA A800 on stereo mixes (don't have $350 bucks sitting around for the UA Ampex) but I have had some results which have me opting more for the Waves. Has a more velvety edge and adds just a little saturation, pretty much what I hope to achieve with subtle settings.

This thread is amazing btw, seems a very captivating topic that many have opinions on - it is such a subjective, oblique process. People are using these tools for all different applications and with the hope of achieving different results. I have to remind myself, as the thread has spun off in a few different directions, that the topic was asking about 'subtle saturation'. So many options between tape emulators, console bus saturators, compressors and the other tools like FATSO and this new UBK1 - wow, what a time we live in.

[JoaCHIP]

I've had different tastes if I look back some years. First I had a habit of using limiters, then look ahead limiters. My mixes back then had no punch or proper attack whatsoever because of that.

Then, after having coded a three band compressor, I was fascinated by those possibilities for a year or so, and messed up a lot of good mixes in completely new and advanced ways.

These days I often use the "sinus" output saturator in my BattleComp Vintage VST to get a sort of round but punchy saturation. Sometimes I use an old Tandberg Series 84 tape deck from 1964 instead. I don't use the tape... I just send the signal through all the tubes, and it gets really phat. But I only do this when I need to really change the signal a lot.

[eytanmich123]

is it coincidence that the Camel Phat banner has been displayed consistently at the bottom of the pages while reading this thread?

Yes it is coincidence.

You're imagining (probably random banner display)

I've never tried it but noticed its prevalence and have noticed a few folks giving Camel products a 'nod'.

The "product" I've mentioned doesn't cost you a penny. nada. camel phat (which
I own) couldn't get me there with the same easiness (though I might get there if
I'll copy the common settings).

So many options between tape emulators, console bus saturators, compressors and the other tools like FATSO and this new UBK1 - wow, what a time we live in.

Yes, amazing and disastrous at the same time (more of the latter, if you ask me).

One cannot make music while pondering over a thousand tools.