Le Masque :Delay: [Xils-Lab] [ Version 1.5 Released]

[Lotuzia]

Thanks Lotuzia for your reply,
it's good to know that there is a "grace period" before full price !
i'll try it very soon.

Hope you'll like SirBellog

[Lotuzia]

It was only released the 10th of January. ( And already our best success )

How cool is that, serial number protection FTW

Get this one people, it's a great delay for a great price and no dongle required!

Thanls Niels

Yeah nice intro price and ..... only serial that's right.

[Lotuzia]

How cool is that, serial number protection FTW

Get this one people, it's a great delay for a great price and no dongle required!

Yeah, I'm tempted to get it just for the fact it's serial protection even though I don't really need it.

You can try the demo version JpRacer : Mac 32/64, Win 32/64 everything's available. there's no date limitation ( it will just time out afer 10/15mn, and no automation via Cc )

And to VarikusBrainz : You can already modulate in real time both delay times via Midi Cc in the full version.( btw all the parameters are automatable via Midi Cc and the mapping array is saved and updated each time you close Le Masque ) This is what I used on the page 6 video for the snare drum "chorus".

But its not yet a target of the "level" parameter associated to each Mask. It seems to be a good idea to add it btw, so it will be on the list :)The first parameters to be added will be each delay pan, and probably the level : I can already hear some nice stereo delays going from left to right, or making crescendos or decrescendos. Or just ....... dynamic rythms !

[jensa]

Nice demo, will definitely buy it when money comes in. But... each and other time I "push" the Dry/Wet knob upwards with the mouse it goes towards Wet and each and other time it goes to Dry. It goes for the other outer ring knobs too, not the inner knobs, they're fine. Is it a demo limitation/obfuscator? Running Reaper 64-bit in Windows 7 64-bit.

And some FRs

* Please do make the bank and patch names clickable instead of just the small arrows to the left of the names. Would help at least me to not have to be so "precise".

* Make the "Threshold detect" red dot jump to the place where I click with the mouse instead of having to pick it up first.

[Lotuzia]

Nice demo, will definitely buy it when money comes in. But... each and other time I "push" the Dry/Wet knob upwards with the mouse it goes towards Wet and each and other time it goes to Dry. It goes for the other outer ring knobs too, not the inner knobs, they're fine. Is it a demo limitation/obfuscator? Running Reaper 64-bit in Windows 7 64-bit.

And some FRs

* Please do make the bank and patch names clickable instead of just the small arrows to the left of the names. Would help at least me to not have to be so "precise".

* Make the "Threshold detect" red dot jump to the place where I click with the mouse instead of having to pick it up first.

Hi Jensa,

Thanks for your kind words,

Inner/Outer Knobs : The demo is fully functional, so maybe a Reaper trick. We'll check this. Please note that you can 1/ Drag the little handles of each control 2/ Drag with vertical movement 3/ Drag with horizontal movement 4/ Hybridation between horizontal and vertical movement brings "smaller variations". Then Control + Shift( Windows ) will revert the control to its "default" setting.

FRs : On my version you can click on the Bank button and select the "type" etc. The preset button however is not clickable, maybe due to the fact that we reduced the criterias to 1, instead of the double criteria browser that equips Xils-Synths. If I have well understood the FR, w'll look into that for a future update so that the Preset drop down list can show when you click on the Preset Button instead of the little arrow. I agree its the way it should work in Le Masque. So is this what you asked for ?

Fr2 : For this one we'll have to check if it doesnt lead to unwanted consequences as BIG audio artifacts, with the value jumping suddenly to very different values, wich is likely to happen because treshold is tied to gain.

[metrosonic]

If I have well understood the FR, w'll look into that for a future update so that the Preset drop down list can show when you click on the Preset Button instead of the little arrow. I agree its the way it should work in Le Masque. So is this what you asked for ?

If memory serves right this usability FR has come up on all XILS products so it would be lovely to see it finally implemented. It's such a pain having to click on the tiny arrow, when you intuitively want to click on the whole button area.

So it's a +1 from here on that FR (and applied to all XILS products).



JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

[Lotuzia]

V 1.01 adressed some compatibility issues. It seems now that only 15 days after its release Le Masque Delay is stable for all systems combination, including 32/64 bits versions. ( I cross fingers saying that ) If you had compatibility issues with prior versions of the demos installers please redownload the last installer.

So now ........

V 1.1 is ont the way :

It will adress several requests made in different forums, including our beloved KVR.

More than that, it will offer NEW FEATURES !

Thanks for all the support, ideas, requests : Keep on posting FR, who knows ..? they might as well be satisfied on day or another.

LtZ

[VariKusBrainZ]

More than that, it will offer NEW FEATURES !

Shweeeet
I love a product that gets better with age!

[Lotuzia]

If I have well understood the FR, w'll look into that for a future update so that the Preset drop down list can show when you click on the Preset Button instead of the little arrow. I agree its the way it should work in Le Masque. So is this what you asked for ?

If memory serves right this usability FR has come up on all XILS products so it would be lovely to see it finally implemented. It's such a pain having to click on the tiny arrow, when you intuitively want to click on the whole button area.

So it's a +1 from here on that FR (and applied to all XILS products).



JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

So what do you prefer guys : Clicking on the LABEL PRESET will bring the dropdown preset list OR clicking in the "Name of the preset" zone ( ie on the preset name itself) will bring the list ? ( If its on the preset name itself you will not be able to rename the preset anymore unless you use the "save as" function/box. )

I think that to click on the label box PRESET is better but we want to be sure that everybody feels the same ?

Thanks for everybody reading this to give his opinion. ( Stephe, are you here ? )

Else I can tell you that the new features are ...... way cool Just testing some atm and wow

LtZ

[jensa]

So what do you prefer guys : Clicking on the LABEL PRESET will bring the dropdown preset list OR clicking in the "Name of the preset" zone ( ie on the preset name itself) will bring the list ? ( If its on the preset name itself you will not be able to rename the preset anymore unless you use the "save as" function/box. )

I think that to click on the label box PRESET is better but we want to be sure that everybody feels the same ?

I would prefer the name being clickable. The same goes for the bank and there you haven't got a label so you need to have the name to be clickable. It's all more context sensitive. Like clicking on a normal drop down menu.

I also think you should consider checking out what is most common among plugins to convince yourself what the users are most accustomed to. I.e. Diva has the preset name clickable, Tremor has the Drum/Kit/Preset name clickable.

And then some other things:

* Could you please consider clean up the GUI some. The letter 'T' in the word "PRESET" is cut off by the arrow.

* The last little left over border to the right of the '?' is hanging there for no reason. You could push the buttons to the right to get rid of it.

* The DAW/IN slider at the bottom is not "grab-able". Right now you have to click to the left or right of it for it to move.

Inner/Outer Knobs : The demo is fully functional, so maybe a Reaper trick. We'll check this. Please note that you can 1/ Drag the little handles of each control 2/ Drag with vertical movement 3/ Drag with horizontal movement 4/ Hybridation between horizontal and vertical movement brings "smaller variations". Then Control + Shift( Windows ) will revert the control to its "default" setting.

Yep, that's correct. I think I've found what's affecting this. The way you calculate the users intention when dragging the knob prioritize left/right movement. If I grab an outer ring. Push the mouse forward towards say 95 degrees (just to the left of straight up) you get a lowering of the parameter value, if you push forward towards say 85 degrees (just to the right of straight up, you get a raise of the parameter value. That means, I push a lot more up than to the sides and the side values gets to decide in what direction the value should move. Strangely, the knobs are working perfectly, it's just the rings.

[Lotuzia]

I would prefer the name being clickable. The same goes for the bank and there you haven't got a label so you need to have the name to be clickable. It's all more context sensitive. Like clicking on a normal drop down menu.

And then some other things:

* Could you please consider clean up the GUI some. The letter 'T' in the word "PRESET" is cut off by the arrow.

* The last little left over border to the right of the '?' is hanging there for no reason. You could push the buttons to the right to get rid of it.

* The DAW/IN slider at the bottom is not "grab-able". Right now you have to click to the left or right of it for it to move.

Inner/Outer Knobs : The demo is fully functional, so maybe a Reaper trick. We'll check this. Please note that you can 1/ Drag the little handles of each control 2/ Drag with vertical movement 3/ Drag with horizontal movement 4/ Hybridation between horizontal and vertical movement brings "smaller variations". Then Control + Shift( Windows ) will revert the control to its "default" setting.

Yep, that's correct. I think I've found what's affecting this. The way you calculate the users intention when dragging the knob prioritize left/right movement. If I grab an outer ring. Push the mouse forward towards say 95 degrees (just to the left of straight up) you get a lowering of the parameter value, if you push forward towards say 85 degrees (just to the right of straight up, you get a raise of the parameter value. That means, I push a lot more up than to the sides and the side values gets to decide in what direction the value should move. Strangely, the knobs are working perfectly, it's just the rings.

Hi Jensa :

1/ (and to Metrosonic and his good memory ) : Click on preset name zone shows dropdown presets list : Done

2/ Cosmetics : clean GUI PRESET : T is now showing : Done

3/ Right Border of ? upper menu bar zone : Will stay/ reserved for eventual future applications

4/ Daw in Slider : Doesnt work like you mention : You can actually click in the slider itself to determine in a single click the selection you want so its faster than dragable.

5/ Knobs : Sofar a lot of people do like the way they work. So this might be a case of "you cant please everybody. If I analyse correctly your answer, I'd say that to get the outer ring to behave exactly like the inner ring, you should place the mouse first on the LEFT of the outer ring control, then operate by vertival or horizontal mouse movement. In this way you replicate exactly the same behaviour of the inner knob.

In other words the outer ring movement behaviour depends if you're on the right or on the left of a symbolic vertical axis wich would be placed at 12 o'clock.

Why this behaviour ? Because this behaviour is faster more precise and more logical/intuitive when you want to make slight movements on a ring when the value is on the right or left of the symbolic vertical 12oc axe using the little handles : If you want to go from +25 right to +27 in a smooth way its very handy. Same is true if the value is - 2x to - 2x'.

But if you want to make some bigger drastic movements like -70 to + 100 sticking to pure vertical/horizontal movements is better.

Hopefuly with all these details/explanations, if you now play with Le Masque for 10mn you'll now see and "feel", the way it operates.

Hope this answers your question.

Ok going back to test other features : Pan Position of each Left Right delay line and Delay level are now modulation targets for the level parameter associated with each Mask : This allows you to make some echoes going from left to right in an easy way for example. And to have dynamic changes in the delays. Combine both, and you can get some terrific rythms, wich are placed exactly where you want in the stereo field

More to come for the new features of V 1.1.

[jensa]

First. Thanks for taking care of us.

4/ Daw in Slider : Doesnt work like you mention : You can actually click in the slider itself to determine in a single click the selection you want so its faster than dragable.

Yeah I know I can click in the slider and get it to jump to the place I click. What I tried to say was that it's not possible to drag and that is wrong regarding to user interface experience. Also, it's in contrast to the other FR I had about the "Threshold detect" which is the exact opposite. Your explanation of the reason behind the in-possibility to click anywhere in the "Threshold detect"-square is valid but when it comes to good user interface design it's wrong to have these to to behave different.

5/ Knobs : Sofar a lot of people do like the way they work. So this might be a case of "you cant please everybody. If I analyse correctly your answer, I'd say that to get the outer ring to behave exactly like the inner ring, you should place the mouse first on the LEFT of the outer ring control, then operate by vertival or horizontal mouse movement. In this way you replicate exactly the same behaviour of the inner knob.

In other words the outer ring movement behaviour depends if you're on the right or on the left of a symbolic vertical axis wich would be placed at 12 o'clock.

Why this behaviour ? Because this behaviour is faster more precise and more logical/intuitive when you want to make slight movements on a ring when the value is on the right or left of the symbolic vertical 12oc axe using the little handles : If you want to go from +25 right to +27 in a smooth way its very handy. Same is true if the value is - 2x to - 2x'.

But if you want to make some bigger drastic movements like -70 to + 100 sticking to pure vertical/horizontal movements is better.

Hopefuly with all these details/explanations, if you now play with Le Masque for 10mn you'll now see and "feel", the way it operates.

Hope this answers your question.

Well I don't know, I don't get your explanation. To me LeMasqueDelay have a different way of interpreting user interaction on these "knobs" compared to >95% of all the plugins I have. Please see this animated GIF. It's behaving inconsistently.




So. If you don't find anything wrong with this I'll stop nagging you now, but I don't see the correct design in it.

Edit: One way to solve this is to have an option for what type of movement the user wants to use. Left/Right. Up/Down. Rotary. The Valhalla-plugs do have it that way. But most have the Up/Down which I'm used to.

Cheers.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

If i needed a delay then i would definately buy this, Congrats on such a decent debut effect plug-in to all you at the XILS-Lab team

Obviously i have heard that about how good your instruments are being a somewhat regular here and magazine reviews have been in your favour also that i have read. I honestly do not use synthesizers often at all so i personally have not tried any of your offerings nor anybody else's for that matter on the commercial software synthesizer front fwiw.

That said it makes no difference at all as Le Masque has got an easy to follow GUI and sound wise worked really well on anything i threw at it as either an insert or return/aux effect.

So again well played on such a solid debut and anyone looking for a pretty dope delay for little cash really ought to try Le Masque out, Can not fault it at the price/quality. Hope that the team have some more effects and/or processors planned for the future as i will be sure to have a good look at them

All the best to all as always

Dean

[xavier]

First. Thanks for taking care of us.

You're welcome jensa, we can't please every body, we are trying to address wishes as well as possible.

Well I don't know, I don't get your explanation. To me LeMasqueDelay have a different way of interpreting user interaction on these "knobs" compared to >95% of all the plugins I have. Please see this animated GIF. It's behaving inconsistently.




So. If you don't find anything wrong with this I'll stop nagging you now, but I don't see the correct design in it.

Edit: One way to solve this is to have an option for what type of movement the user wants to use. Left/Right. Up/Down. Rotary. The Valhalla-plugs do have it that way. But most have the Up/Down which I'm used to.

I always feel strange when clicking on the left part of the external ring and moving the mouse up, I see the ring going down. That's why I programmed it like this. But I understand that this can also be confused.
So adding an option could be the way ("standard external knob" or "Xils external knob")

Best regards
Xavier

[Lotuzia]

First. Thanks for taking care of us.

4/ Daw in Slider : Doesnt work like you mention : You can actually click in the slider itself to determine in a single click the selection you want so its faster than dragable.

Yeah I know I can click in the slider and get it to jump to the place I click. What I tried to say was that it's not possible to drag and that is wrong regarding to user interface experience. Also, it's in contrast to the other FR I had about the "Threshold detect" which is the exact opposite. Your explanation of the reason behind the in-possibility to click anywhere in the "Threshold detect"-square is valid but when it comes to good user interface design it's wrong to have these to to behave different.

5/ Knobs : Sofar a lot of people do like the way they work. So this might be a case of "you cant please everybody. If I analyse correctly your answer, I'd say that to get the outer ring to behave exactly like the inner ring, you should place the mouse first on the LEFT of the outer ring control, then operate by vertival or horizontal mouse movement. In this way you replicate exactly the same behaviour of the inner knob.

In other words the outer ring movement behaviour depends if you're on the right or on the left of a symbolic vertical axis wich would be placed at 12 o'clock.

Why this behaviour ? Because this behaviour is faster more precise and more logical/intuitive when you want to make slight movements on a ring when the value is on the right or left of the symbolic vertical 12oc axe using the little handles : If you want to go from +25 right to +27 in a smooth way its very handy. Same is true if the value is - 2x to - 2x'.

But if you want to make some bigger drastic movements like -70 to + 100 sticking to pure vertical/horizontal movements is better.

Hopefuly with all these details/explanations, if you now play with Le Masque for 10mn you'll now see and "feel", the way it operates.

Hope this answers your question.

Well I don't know, I don't get your explanation. To me LeMasqueDelay have a different way of interpreting user interaction on these "knobs" compared to >95% of all the plugins I have. Please see this animated GIF. It's behaving inconsistently.




So. If you don't find anything wrong with this I'll stop nagging you now, but I don't see the correct design in it.

Edit: One way to solve this is to have an option for what type of movement the user wants to use. Left/Right. Up/Down. Rotary. The Valhalla-plugs do have it that way. But most have the Up/Down which I'm used to.

Cheers.

Hi Jensa,

Nice gif thanks for taking tthe time to do it

Hmmm I'll try to explain it in a more simple way :

If you wanna have the standard horizontal + vertical workflow on outer rings, just first position the mouse on the left side of the outer ring ( whatever its current value ) and it will behave like you're used to.

Then, with a bit more time and experience you'll quickly find the other ways to use it ( that I tried to describe above )

But we'll consider adding a standard mode as well as an option. ( its just that the option menu is unfortunately barely used by users ) Its true that circular or diagonal movements around the 12 o'clock position can be inconsistent from time to time.

Regarding the 95% of the plugs, well, when I designed the concept of the dual concentric knobs, the main idea was to have a deeper level of integration in a Gui, AND primarily a much better visual instant feedback. So with le Masque when I "look" at the two dual knobs ( Dleay time + feedback R,L) I know instantly what is my delay state : If the left delay feedback is longer than the right one, while the right delay time is shorter than the left I can visually know it instantly, without having to decipher 4 different knobs, and putting the 4 values in my memory and make a -little- brain computing. So that I'd say that in Le Masque the visual feedback information is almost as fast as the audio feedback info. Else it gives also -imho- a much cleaner, less cluttered, and pleasing GUI.

So, true, it takes a little time for users to get used to this "visual reading" of a delay, but hopefully once its done, people will see the benefits of this approach.

So, its true that the dual concentric knob needs some fine tuning in the way it operates, VS the standard 4 knobs/one knob/function process wich is well established. But my feeling is that once it will be done, thanks to your feedback and feedback of other users, it might set some new possible standard, or i'd better say open a new range of possibilities. And even in its current state, I see it as already very rewarding. ( again imho )

Thanks for the help and feedback !