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tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:41 am

Equally valid

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:57 am

never heard that, incredible. Eddie Gomez, huh.

I just never had the heart for that, just not up to the mark. Too selfish.

Bill Evans didn't live that long, candle burning at both ends... the great struggle of the hard life, heroin... good night Irene. That's conviction.

wrench45us · Post by **wrench45us** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:04 pm

I absolutely love T Monk's various recordings of covers. 'April in Paris', 'Devil and the Deep Blue Sea' are classics of just this abundance of well-thouht out ideas.
Covers to me are a place where these ideas operate as the basic structure an dmelody is known. Bill Evans was obviously another example of someone who transformed covers.

The person who shared with me how to listen to music always focused on 'ideas'. It became fairly clear when some player was running out of 'ideas'.

I think we can pretty much state the equivalence of ideas with what tapper Mike's teacher was presenting

so a few months ago the wife and i were shopping in a giant box home supply store and because it was grand opening weekend they had a grand piano and a parade of players. My wife walks by and sees the open Real Book and says , 'Look he has the same book you do."

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:54 pm

@tapper mike: About as good an explanation of Real Book culture as you can get. You summed it up nicely. The WIKI entry filled in a couple of gaps for me too. My personal recollection is very similar to what you described, but I do stand by my story of having seen and used both pop and jazz versions of the Real Book (not the legit versions) back in the day.

@jancivil: Up until the 90's, it was pretty standard that you hired actual live musicians for any function requiring music. I went to a lot of bar mitzvahs as a kid (in the 70's), and every one of them had a live band. Likewise for all the weddings I attended in the 80's. [Adam Sandler's The Wedding Singer had to be set in the 80's for that very reason.] But the DJ pretty much rules for the past 20 years.

Some may think that being in a GB cover band playing top 40 is a soul crushing existence. But I've seen some AMAZING talent playing these gigs. The best of them cover the songs with such enthusiasm that it really transcends the material. And those who manage to actually put their stamp on the performance [without sounding cheesy] really stand out.

Cheers
-B

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:34 pm

A few things
I'd always been told that the real book was published in Chicago not Boston as the wiki page states.

I'd seen Volumes 1,3 and 4 but not 2. Because "the real book" was illegal the publisher had no rights to the title. This meant other publishers aware of the book would who did have publishing rights to songs would produce there own versions. Such as "The Real Book of Rock" they would try to capture on the success of the real book. Sort of like the various "Ultimate" books. As well other underground printers would publish companion books to "The ReaL Book" As an example I once saw a companion series "The Real Book for Guitarists" Which were companion books to the original without the melody. Simply chord names. The pages were numbered like the book. So if you got Companion Book Volume 1 Number 2 for the real book it would start on... page 120 and go to three hundred. It wouldn't have titles or lyrics All it would have is the chord names and chord diagrams. Which was nice for guitarists who didn't want to lug around "The Real Book" but still wanted to sit in.

I haven't bought or seen the Hal Leonord "Real Book" I am aware that Hal Lenord did finally secure all the publishing rights for the "Real Book" making the newer editions "legal" I'm also aware that the Hal Leonard version has made several corrections to the original especially "Desfinado"

Some time ago I found a "Real Book" for Band in A Box. A few people had taken time to assemble all the songs in biab. Honestly I don't know where to download it or what I did with my version as they have been added to my "General BIAB collection" which at one point had 5000 songs though many were simply copies of of the same song or different versions of the same song

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:03 pm

tapper mike wrote:A few things

I haven't bought or seen the Hal Leonord "Real Book" I am aware that Hal Lenord did finally secure all the publishing rights for the "Real Book" making the newer editions "legal" I'm also aware that the Hal Leonard version has made several corrections to the original especially "Desfinado"

Well, I assumed that the music published in the Hal Leonard books is all from the Hal Leonard publishing archive. The version I own (Pop/Rock) is not 'corrected' so much as it has what appears to be the actual original published sheet music without the bass parts for economy.

For better or worse, the original Real Books had a certain subversive charm in their ragtag appearance and underground notoriety. Sort of like Jazz itself...

Cheers
-B

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:30 pm

Just a quick thanks for the acknowledgements above and kudo's back all around.
Thanks and Thanks, This thread has been a great read.

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