Sampletank 3?

[kev2525]

Nicely said Zedd and I'm right there with you. In fact, when ST3 comes I am going to support it like crazy because it's very important that it is a huge success. Otherwise the focus could be more on the other new products that are doing great. It's a business so the demand does of course affect what a company does. I personally think that even SampleTank as it is today remains a staple piece workhorse rompler but knowing what ST3 will do and updaing things like 64 bit will really take it that much further so... the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned too. Just so you know I push all the time for this as much as I can from my position.

Keep pushing! I for one would love an update!

[BERFAB]

Nicely said Zedd and I'm right there with you. In fact, when ST3 comes I am going to support it like crazy because it's very important that it is a huge success. Otherwise the focus could be more on the other new products that are doing great. It's a business so the demand does of course affect what a company does. I personally think that even SampleTank as it is today remains a staple piece workhorse rompler but knowing what ST3 will do and updaing things like 64 bit will really take it that much further so... the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned too. Just so you know I push all the time for this as much as I can from my position.

Keep pushing! I for one would love an update!

As would I.

I went 64 bit last year and while I'm able to use T-Racks and Amplitube natively, the entire 'powered by ST' line (that I love, btw) sits collecting dust waiting for either a 64 bit upgrade or version 3. (As does CSR. I LOVE this reverb, but even with new technology available - and I've bought some very high quality 64 bit reverbs to try to replace it - nothing really compares, IMHO.)

Dave, I know you're under NDA for ST3 development, but could you possibly address two things that I'm curious about:

First, as conceived, will ST-3 have backward compatibility with prior sounds and libraries? I assume most of the bread and butter stuff will be nicely updated anyway, but some of the drum loop collections (which I think have always been underrated) will be missed if not compatible.

Second, will the memory limits for instruments be lifted or eliminated (i.e. disk streaming, etc.) in the new version?

Obviously, if you can't say so, no worries. But do hurry them along. I love my iPhone, but it just isn't a replacement for my studio filled with toys.



Cheers
-B

[Xenobt]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but when I just mentioned ST3 to a support person at IK, that I have Jampoints expiring soon, "It's gonna be a while." was the response. Pre-orders, maybe?

I love ST's power and flexibility, and I too hope it will support all the cool stuff it already has. (and my 60 gb of IK/SR libs!)

But I had to actually erase a post about the new iRig mixer here a week or so ago, cuz I didn't want to sound like a crank when everyone else seemed so excited.

I know DJs need tools too, but NI AND IK devoting so much time and effort to such a small niche of the market seems crazy, big-picture wise. And the endless stream of ios stuff coming from IK is starting to REALLY bug me.

If you play live, the ios Amplitube and Sampletank are real godsends, I'm sure. But for my needs, in a real working studio, all this stuff is entirely unneeded and seems to be impeding the pro tools (no pun intended) getting released.

I know that eventually the tablets and phones will do some amazing things and that someone has to get there first, but as a serious user, it all seems like toys now. Fun, but no real use in a professional environment.

Let's hear it KVRers, is there anyone out there using any of it to do paying scoring work, for sound design or even just making beats? It might let devs know where their best efforts should be going.

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

[zedd]

And the endless stream of ios stuff coming from IK is starting to REALLY bug me.

If you play live, the ios Amplitube and Sampletank are real godsends, I'm sure. But for my needs, in a real working studio, all this stuff is entirely unneeded and seems to be impeding the pro tools (no pun intended) getting released.

Totally with you on this!

I own almost every software product that IK Multimedia has made, aside from their iToys, and what I really want right now is for all the products to be 64-bit so that they are not going to continue to present a bottleneck. The focus should have been on updating the main products a long time ago. IK is way, way behind, with both EastWest and Native Instruments being 64-bit for more than a year now.

[lotus2035]

I'm pretty much set for sounds and have no interest in buying new libraries.
However, as an owner of Sampletank 2.5, Sonik Synth 2, Miroslav and Sampletron I would very much like to be able to use these libraries in a 64bit plugin. They sound great and I use them a lot.
I really hope that IK doesnt expect all previous library owners to buy the full version of Sampletank 3 just to be able to use these in a 64bit environment.
Maybe a system like Amplitube and it's custom shop would be an option, A free 64-bit SampleTank 3 player compatible with the old libraries as well as the new.
I hate the idea of having to drag the 32bit plugs with me for the next few years and having to buy SampleTank 3 just for 64bit compatibility would be disappointing. Like I said, I don't need any more sounds.

It could go either way, look at the original T-Racks plugin, It was dumped and replaced by T-Racks 3 Standard outright but on the other hand it seems like CSR will get a 64bit upgrade. I guess we will find out in 2019.

[moonwalker2]

Any news on sampletank 3? I saw their facebook group where they show some of the new stuff they sample, which looks awesome. As far as i can tell, ST3 has been in the making for about 2-3 years now (did they start working on it 2010?)

I would gladly pay for an upgrade of a new sampletank, it's in my opinion the best sampler when you want great sounds fast. Don't have time waiting for kontakts loading times...

[zedd]

Any news on sampletank 3? I saw their facebook group where they show some of the new stuff they sample, which looks awesome.

Could you please post a link? I couldn't find it. Thanks.

[moonwalker2]

No problemo, here you go! http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 7617160146

[zedd]

No problemo, here you go! http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 7617160146

Thanks for that! I appreciate it.

I can't wait to be able to play those new instruments.

I wonder if ST3 will ship with all of the original content as well?

[moonwalker2]

The thing i'm most curious about is when it will be released - they have been talking about ST3 now for a long time.
We are still excited, still want to spend our money on ST3, and WE WANT IT!

[Squids]

Yes SampleTank 3 has been in development for awhile and it has gone through many evolutionary changes as well. Yes, it's true I can't talk about what I know of it from my perspective, at least not in detail or revealing any secrets. But, IK has shared that it's in development and I can assure you of a couple of things which is that it will be compatible with the current SampleTank sounds you have (most of which were done by us at Sonic Reality, at least in terms of the PBST virtual instruments and XT2 libraries).

As for when... that depends on when it's finished! Is it coming out tomorrow? No. Is it going to be a LONG time from now? Well, maybe not so long actually. Some time this year is a good guess. For what it's worth I'm definitely on the side of pushing for it to happen sooner than later. We're also going to support the format at Sonic Reality like we've done in the past. So everything is still moving toward that... but of course there are no guarantees of anything. You just never know how things can change depending on different factors. I CAN tell you that it will be really cool if it comes out the way I've been seeing it developed and I think it's so unique and useful that it's worth the wait... especially with the particular features I've been requesting for years. I'm confident that if it has those it will be right on the money.

[DrApostropheX]

I went 64 bit last year and while I'm able to use T-Racks and Amplitube natively, the entire 'powered by ST' line (that I love, btw) sits collecting dust waiting for either a 64 bit upgrade or version 3.

I'm in the same sad boat I have every powered by SampleTank product made (just about) and can't use any of them because the 32-bit VSTi causes conniptions running in 64-bit. I actually bought the full version of Kontakt and have been beefing up my Kontakt collection because of this. I assume I'll give a hard look to a 64-bit SampleTank 3, but at this point I'm really liking Kontakt.

[Xenobt]

It will be compatible with the current SampleTank sounds you have (most of which were done by us at Sonic Reality, at least in terms of the PBST virtual instruments and XT2 libraries).

That is SUCH good news, Squids! I've come to rely on my SR/ST libraries for sounds that give a track that something special that I can't find anywhere else, especially classic vintage keys and one-of-a-kind instruments.

And DrApostropheX, if you love the sounds from your IK instruments, but prefer the Kontakt gui, the Infinite Player gives you access to most (but not all) of the content from them. And eSoundz often features CRAZY good deals that are usually posted here, so keep your eye out. I recently picked up IP libraries for $11 usd each!

I've double bought many of the Xpansion Tanks and most of Miroslav in IP format because I prefer the sound of the NI sound engine, but the low CPU footprint of Sampletank based stuff is hard to beat for us folks with older systems, so let's hope that's one of the things it KEEPS!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt

[lotus2035]

the Infinite Player gives you access to most (but not all) of the content from them.

It does? Hmmmm...I would love to know exactly what works and what doesn't work. I'm not asking you specifically, just curious.

[Xenobt]

No worries, lotus2035, it's a little tricky to get initially, but very cool.

Many (indeed most) of the libraries for Sampletank and the IK VIs were produced by Sonic Reality/eSoundz, and SR made a licensing agreement with Native Instruments to use the Infinite Player as a "bridge" into Kontakt/Kontakt Player format.

You buy the Infinite Player "shell" (that comes with lots of cool stuff called the Infinite Foundation Set) that allows you to use the IP libraries with the Kontakt sound engine.

While a point by point comparison of each library is too lengthy to go into here, (the lately elusive torgo is the true master of what is and isn't in each set, and many of his posts as well as great IP tip from Darkstar are in the KVR Sonic Reality/eSoundz archives) most of the ST parent sample sets appear in the IP format as various Kapsules.

For example, the aforementioned Miroslav is split into each orchestral section in IP as Orchestral Strings Kapsule, Orchestral Brass Kapsule, etc. while not specifically mentioning their original source. But patches like "23 Violins" are a dead give-away.

Here's a great IP Kapsule starter set, that covers lots of the turf in their Xpansion Tank cousins, at a great price.

http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2764

Sorry to derail the thread! Anyone who wants more info check out the eSoundz site, and there's great tricks and tips from SR/eSoundz.com in the KVR forum Manufacturers Section.

One last VERY cool note. The Infinite Player counts as a third party Kontakt library, which entitles you to the Kontakt crossgrade price! NICE!!!

KVR/eSoundz: Xenobt