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Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:06 pm

freeeeeze...

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:24 pm

haha wow that's totally not my style, but interesting indeed. Looks like I will have to start playing with ableton's looper, dragging and dropping, shimmer, playing with some freeze reverb, perhaps the paulstretch... This is helping me construct my new workflow in my mind, all your input is priceless!!!!

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:33 pm

Well definitly not my style either LOL! But is was to show you that freeze pedal. Really cool for live performances with guitars, you can get some endless drones out of every guitar notes or chords.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:38 pm

Just so you know it's not for live performance, either. I don't play out (anymore)... Most of my songs are made pretty much improvised, that's all that I practice is making up new things every time I sit down, otherwise I'd be bored

Neon Breath · Post by **Neon Breath** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:40 pm

Oh. I thought it was for messing around live, from your previous post: 'that's a synth though, isn't it? I'd prefer to use my guitar !!!'

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:42 pm

I'd echo (no pun intended) some of the advice given earlier. Ebow is great, and if you throw tons of effects like delay, heavy distortion, big reverbs, chorus, etc. on the guitar then you get a lot of interesting drones.

Routing in your DAW can yield good results too - try routing the guitar to two separate tracks and process them differently.

But whatever you do, you can do it live and also process after the fact. If it doesn't sound right, you can sample some of the guitar and put it through granular processors - Reaktor is great for that.

If you don't have an ebow, then you could always try distortion and compression to get some long sustain, and delay can add to that too. If you want low drones, try an octaver too, but maybe EQ off some of the low end so that it's not too bassy (unless that's what you want).

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:57 pm

okay so for this kind of stuff, what chorus would be the best to use? I've been toying with ableton live's default chorus... Should I be using charsesis or whatnot? so this is totally on topic, what is the recommended chorus/flanger/phasers to use? (hopefully free)

I know that wow n' flutter is the best for warbles when dealing with drone sounds

Thanks!

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:54 pm

Just experiment. The Live effects are OK and you can tweak them to get some reasonable results.

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:07 pm

Guitar Rig 5 has some awesome pseudo-synth pad-like guitar presets achieved with processing only. Might want to look into that, at least to see how they do it (via demo).

Also, look at some of the Ableton Live effects and instrument racks. Sometimes it's interesting to remove the original instrument and insert your guitar signal. Racks are hugely powerful.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:09 pm

Okay, thanks everyone for helping me switch out of the "drum/bass/guitar/synth" mindset so that I can attempt to go beyond the threshold and further towards my own unique sound!!! Everyone really helped me a lot, I have a lot of the building blocks needed to explore song creation and sound creation, thanks to all of you!!!

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:22 pm

Neon Breath wrote:Oh. I thought it was for messing around live, from your previous post: 'that's a synth though, isn't it? I'd prefer to use my guitar !!!'

Yes I will be messing around REALTIME, but not live performance like at a venue. Sorry for the miscommunication! haha

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:54 pm

I love using my ebow and loopers for this kind of thing. The looper in Live is great because you can easily send loops you record to clip slots in the session view. I also really like One Small Clue's Lugosi. Takes some learning but it does lots of neat things.

The Grain Shifter in Guitar Rig and Kore is also your friend here.

metalifuxx · Post by **metalifuxx** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:03 pm

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/1770
Get Mobius looper (free) and assign some controls to your midi controller, and record the output.

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:08 pm

Ah, yes. I've looked at mobius in the past and WOW it scared the hell out of me... My mind would probably explode with the possibilities if I explored it.... Does it have advantages over ableton looper, besides the use of 8 loops?

I might just go with a simple ableton looper instance and drag n drop it's results to different tracks (I only use arrange mode, session mode is too non-linear, I'm weird, I know)

RonC

GaryG · Post by **GaryG** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:16 pm

Probably way out of date but a clue to how they achieved their earlier sound: http://vintage.guitargeek.com/rigview/62/

Help me figure out the best "Drone" solution for myself...