Thanks for the tip. I have the most trouble controlling the LFO so that for instance it starts at a certain offset, also puzzled that the built-in LFO doesn't have a phase control. I'm playing now with Bidule to see if I can develop the factory LFO to include what I'm missing. The documentation isn't of much help though!allofdrab wrote:As a huge Bidule fan, I feel compelled to suggest that you can make modulating plugin parameters quite easy, with a tiny bit of prep. For example, if you find you use the LFOs a lot, and are tired of hooking up Parameter Modulators to each one, simply take one LFO that is hooked up to a mod. and make them a Group.
Modular VST hosts
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 134 posts since 16 Jan, 2010
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 134 posts since 16 Jan, 2010
Thinking of trying EnergyXT. Any of you have experience working with it (especially as a VST)? How's FL Studio compare for this purpose? Haven't tried either.
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- KVRAF
- 1618 posts since 15 Aug, 2001 from montreal, canada
No it's standalone only.
savantgarde wrote:Mulch doesn't come as a VST though?
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- KVRAF
- 37431 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Metaplugin is good for enabling control of params
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- KVRian
- 855 posts since 3 Mar, 2009
If you want modular, you should really check out Mulab 4!!!!
I'm impressed, i mean really impressed!
Since it's out, just for the fun of it, i have made more than 50 effects in Mulab: all sorts of Mid-Side processing, plenty of saturation and multiband distortion, midi processors, note triggered gater, EQ that follows note pitch, a fully customizable 12 effects unit where each effect is triggered by a different note and even a reverb(!).
You can put (several) VSTs together with internal modules as one effect and create your own user interface for it (including editing VST parameters).
The same for the synth engine where you can put together whatever your heart desires.
Simply stunning! And without all the fuss like in SE, SM, Reaktor.
The routing capabilities inside the application itself are mind boggling anyway.
Rumour has it that the modular engine will even be out as a VST not too far away!
Great stuff that Jo has created here.
I'm impressed, i mean really impressed!
Since it's out, just for the fun of it, i have made more than 50 effects in Mulab: all sorts of Mid-Side processing, plenty of saturation and multiband distortion, midi processors, note triggered gater, EQ that follows note pitch, a fully customizable 12 effects unit where each effect is triggered by a different note and even a reverb(!).
You can put (several) VSTs together with internal modules as one effect and create your own user interface for it (including editing VST parameters).
The same for the synth engine where you can put together whatever your heart desires.
Simply stunning! And without all the fuss like in SE, SM, Reaktor.
The routing capabilities inside the application itself are mind boggling anyway.
Rumour has it that the modular engine will even be out as a VST not too far away!
Great stuff that Jo has created here.
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 2 Apr, 2011
For the bidule lovers here. I like the idea and I'm definitely fan of modular routing, but here were the issues I had with it- tell me if I'm missing something fundamental about using it
- I don't like having a separate dialog box for every module. It's a pain to organize everything and also makes it hard to deal with more than a few open controls at once. The sliders and controls also look like something out of the windows 95 era.
- How is it for doing full songs? Sequencers look pretty basic. Seems like something you could get some sound design out of, but my impression is it would be a chore to squeeze a full track out of it.
Again, I could be missing something obvious about how bidule is supposed to be used, so please enlighten me if I am ...
- I don't like having a separate dialog box for every module. It's a pain to organize everything and also makes it hard to deal with more than a few open controls at once. The sliders and controls also look like something out of the windows 95 era.
- How is it for doing full songs? Sequencers look pretty basic. Seems like something you could get some sound design out of, but my impression is it would be a chore to squeeze a full track out of it.
Again, I could be missing something obvious about how bidule is supposed to be used, so please enlighten me if I am ...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 134 posts since 16 Jan, 2010
That's quite the endorsement for Mulab! I guess I'll await its VST plugin then.AndreasD wrote:If you want modular, you should really check out Mulab 4!!!!
I'm impressed, i mean really impressed!
Since it's out, just for the fun of it, i have made more than 50 effects in Mulab: all sorts of Mid-Side processing, plenty of saturation and multiband distortion, midi processors, note triggered gater, EQ that follows note pitch, a fully customizable 12 effects unit where each effect is triggered by a different note and even a reverb(!).
You can put (several) VSTs together with internal modules as one effect and create your own user interface for it (including editing VST parameters).
The same for the synth engine where you can put together whatever your heart desires.
Simply stunning! And without all the fuss like in SE, SM, Reaktor.
The routing capabilities inside the application itself are mind boggling anyway.
Rumour has it that the modular engine will even be out as a VST not too far away!
Great stuff that Jo has created here.
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- KVRAF
- 2540 posts since 18 May, 2002 from up on Cripple Creek (CO)
Select the modules you want to have grouped together, right-click, go to the Group menu item, and click "Group selected objects" - a Group is basically a composite module. Now right-click on the new Group, go to the Group menu item again, and choose Parameters. There you can set which controls show up on your new module's control panel.revo11 wrote:- I don't like having a separate dialog box for every module. It's a pain to organize everything and also makes it hard to deal with more than a few open controls at once. The sliders and controls also look like something out of the windows 95 era.
It is a bit different in that respect. I don't tend to use it alone for "normal" composition, that's what I have Reaper for. I do like to use it for doing stuff live (whether out in front of an audience or at home not), and for ambient/noise stuff where the usual timeline-based approach isn't wanted or needed.revo11 wrote:- How is it for doing full songs? Sequencers look pretty basic. Seems like something you could get some sound design out of, but my impression is it would be a chore to squeeze a full track out of it.
For the more musical stuff, I like using Phrazor with Bidule's MIDI splitter (split by channel) for the sequencing. I find it much easier & more pleasant to work with than the ones that come with Bidule.
It's not necessarily "supposed" to be used any one specific way, that's kinda the point. That said, it's definitely not made for the usual timeline-based DAW stuff... but that's where the plug-in version comes in handy.revo11 wrote:Again, I could be missing something obvious about how bidule is supposed to be used, so please enlighten me if I am ...
Not sure if you've seen it, but you may want to check out the Bidule forum. There's some discussions there that will show you some of the different ways other people are using it.
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 2 Apr, 2011
@synthgeek - thanks for the insight, I'll definitely have to give it another look. I've heard a lot of raves re: bidule so I'm not surprised there are aspects of it that I simply haven't "gotten" yet.
One question I'm working out is whether to go with bidule... or go all the way down the rabbit hole with max6 and it's newly lowered price point...
One question I'm working out is whether to go with bidule... or go all the way down the rabbit hole with max6 and it's newly lowered price point...
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- KVRAF
- 2540 posts since 18 May, 2002 from up on Cripple Creek (CO)
Cheers.revo11 wrote:@synthgeek - thanks for the insight, I'll definitely have to give it another look. I've heard a lot of raves re: bidule so I'm not surprised there are aspects of it that I simply haven't "gotten" yet.
Thinking back, it took me a little while to really get into it as well. There is a lot of stuff in there that I think might take a little playing around with to really appreciate - at least, that was my experience.That would be kind of a tough choice... personally, I find pd enough for the max-type stuff, but depending on what you wanna do, Max may be better for you. Also, I guess if you don't really like Bidule as a host in & of itself, a lot of what it can do can be covered with another "pluggable" modular host or chainer and some plug-ins.revo11 wrote:One question I'm working out is whether to go with bidule... or go all the way down the rabbit hole with max6 and it's newly lowered price point...
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 2 Apr, 2011
Yeah, I think deep down I wish that one of my hosts (currently flipping back and forth between renoise and reaper, left flstudio behind for now as I'm working with OSX) would adopt a modular routing framework so I don't have to keep switching my brain/working style back and forth between different UI paradigms. Bidule seems like the next best thing for plugging in that hole.
Part of my ambivalence is related broader question of whether I should invest time in programming my own sound world, or focus on arrangement and songwriting... I tend to oscillate back and forth on that issue without ever converging on what's more important to my style. Of course, there's never going to be a perfect answer... I'm sure many people on kvr struggle with the same question.
Part of my ambivalence is related broader question of whether I should invest time in programming my own sound world, or focus on arrangement and songwriting... I tend to oscillate back and forth on that issue without ever converging on what's more important to my style. Of course, there's never going to be a perfect answer... I'm sure many people on kvr struggle with the same question.
synthgeek wrote: That would be kind of a tough choice... personally, I find pd enough for the max-type stuff, but depending on what you wanna do, Max may be better for you. Also, I guess if you don't really like Bidule as a host in & of itself, a lot of what it can do can be covered with another "pluggable" modular host or chainer and some plug-ins.
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- KVRist
- 36 posts since 10 Jan, 2012 from Kirikiriroa, Aotearoa
My bad! I missed that conditionparadiddle wrote:No it's standalone only.savantgarde wrote:Mulch doesn't come as a VST though?prolapse wrote:Similar to both Jeskola Buzz and Bidule is Audiomulch:http://www.audiomulch.com/
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- KVRAF
- 37431 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
What I could really do with is a modular host that supports VST3 plugins and loads as a plugin too
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- KVRian
- 986 posts since 27 Sep, 2010
If only there were a bare-bones version of Vienna Ensemble Pro.