Studio One sounds better, thanks to... It just does.

[liquidsound]

Marketing is not lying but tell people what they want to hear.
BTW, Studio One comes with a demo, so the "final" responsibility is on us not to the Marketing dep. And by the same token if you believe it's better after the demo and you got fooled by the Marketing, you should be fired no them.
Unless we just like complaining for the sake of pointing fingers and sound smarter.

[dgkenney]

Unless we just like complaining for the sake of pointing fingers and sound smarter.

And thus was born, kvr.


Dan

[liquid wind]

Unless we just like complaining for the sake of pointing fingers and sound smarter.

And thus was born, kvr.


Dan

Studio One has a great audio engine

But does it sound like a virus?

[liquidsound]

Unless we just like complaining for the sake of pointing fingers and sound smarter.

And thus was born, kvr.


Dan

[pough]

Marketing is not lying but tell people what they want to hear.

So if what people want to hear isn't true...? Still not lying? You don't happen to be Frank
Luntz, do you?

Luntz discussed his use of the term, "energy exploration" (oil drilling). His research on the matter involved showing people a picture of current oil drilling and asking if in the picture it "looks like exploration or drilling." He said that 90 percent of the people he spoke to said it looked like exploring. "Therefore I'd argue that it is a more appropriate way to communicate." He went on to say "if the public says after looking at the pictures, that doesn't look like my definition of drilling—it looks like my definition of exploring—then don't you think we should be calling it what people see it to be, rather than adding a political aspect to it all?"

I bet if you showed people a picture of Frank Luntz and asked them if he looked like a communications expert or a putz, 90% would say putz. Which, somewhat ironically, isn't a lie.

[braj]

Marketing is not lying but tell people what they want to hear.
BTW, Studio One comes with a demo, so the "final" responsibility is on us not to the Marketing dep. And by the same token if you believe it's better after the demo and you got fooled by the Marketing, you should be fired no them.
Unless we just like complaining for the sake of pointing fingers and sound smarter.

Sorry but that is crap. Right now there is bread in the USA being sold as 'nutritious' by the advertisers that contains sawdust. A mom who is so busy and only reads the packaging, not understanding the masked name of the sawdust ingredient can't be expected to be an expert. Of course she can educate herself, but the reason we have laws is to protect people, the onus isn't on the consumer to make sure products are honestly labled. This incident regarding Presonus is so slight but you have to understand that in general marketing is out of control and some sort of truth in advertising policy (if not some strong new laws) would be very good for the consumer. I'm happy Presonus pulled the blog posting, but it definitely isn't right that marketing just 'tells us what we want to hear' and that they aren't lying. The blog poster has been around long enough to know better really. And I would suggest you are the type of person that falls for such stunts, you posted that it sounds better to you, dare I use the word 'fanboy' but that is the case IMO, you want them to tell you want you want to hear but that doesn't make it true, or give them the right to do so. Should he be fired? I don't think so, but stopped from such nonsense, I hope so.

[LawrenceF]

The GUI doesn't hurt either. Why would it be absurd to believe that a plugin with a polished GUI can ALSO be a good plugin?

For some reason you seem intent on throwing straw at me, not sure why. I'm one of your customers btw...

Did I ever imply every plug with a nice GUI is a scam or anything like that? No I did not. All I suggested is that some people lust after plugs just because of the GUI, and in some cases have a preformed expectation of what they will hear even before they hear it and use it, and in some cases will hear what they think they're supposed to hear... in "some" cases. Emphasis on the "some".

None of that implies anything but what I actually said... and I never said good plugins can't also have polished or pretty GUI's.

One thing (what I actually said or rather suggested) has nothing to do with the other thing (what you seem to be intent on suggesting I was saying).

[lotus2035]

Marketing is not lying but tell people what they want to hear.

I think its definitely a bit of both.
Search "Century of the self" on youtube for a brilliant 4 part documentary on the subject. First two parts in particular.
*HPC Mode off*

[liquidsound]

Marketing is not lying but tell people what they want to hear.
BTW, Studio One comes with a demo, so the "final" responsibility is on us not to the Marketing dep. And by the same token if you believe it's better after the demo and you got fooled by the Marketing, you should be fired no them.
Unless we just like complaining for the sake of pointing fingers and sound smarter.

Sorry but that is crap. Right now there is bread in the USA being sold as 'nutritious' by the advertisers that contains sawdust. A mom who is so busy and only reads the packaging, not understanding the masked name of the sawdust ingredient can't be expected to be an expert. Of course she can educate herself, but the reason we have laws is to protect people, the onus isn't on the consumer to make sure products are honestly labled. This incident regarding Presonus is so slight but you have to understand that in general marketing is out of control and some sort of truth in advertising policy (if not some strong new laws) would be very good for the consumer. I'm happy Presonus pulled the blog posting, but it definitely isn't right that marketing just 'tells us what we want to hear' and that they aren't lying. The blog poster has been around long enough to know better really. And I would suggest you are the type of person that falls for such stunts, you posted that it sounds better to you, dare I use the word 'fanboy' but that is the case IMO, you want them to tell you want you want to hear but that doesn't make it true, or give them the right to do so. Should he be fired? I don't think so, but stopped from such nonsense, I hope so.

But it does sound better to me and so I agree with the blog not because it's a universal truth but because it reflects my experience.
I didn't buy it for the "Better Sound" but because I got a great discount and I liked the workflow even if several time before I couldn't get into the groove of it.
Marketing will hardly tell you what you don't want to hear and going from DEMO to OIL DRILLING is going to disturb Machiavelli in his grave.
The blog was stretching from personal experience to absolute fact but if you ask me it is a fact to my ears. Being on the Presonus Website makes it a more faulty post because here at KVR there is way more personal illusions as you can imagine including MINE of course. But at the same time the real pro here are amazingly keen and knowledgeable and are able to make a great point in a single post and that's what is so great here rather then wishing for someone to be fired. I guess very few can manage to trow the first stone....

[standalone]

Eveyone seems to be so stressed in this thread...




I like it!

[liquidsound]

Eveyone seems to be so stressed in this thread...




I like it!

You're right.

[LawrenceF]

@LawrenceF

Any ETA on that Great River emulator plug you promised in this thread?

Dan

Haha. That would make (I think) for an interesting psychological experiment.

To create a compressor plug that had a really slick GUI, that had all the meters and stuff going, that had a little tube thingy on it with a slider for saturation that lit up orange to red with more slider gain, more analog like distortion, that didn't apply any compression or satruation or anything all but showed metering as if it was, and just maybe changed the I/O gain a little when engaged ... and watch how many people won't even notice and how many will claim that it's the shiznet.

And no, that has absolutely nothing to do with all the good plugs that do sound good and do shape the sound in some audible way. It only has to do with how easy it is for some people to believe what they think they see happening... even when nothing much really is happening.

Point being, we're all sure (right?) of what we think we hear in all cases and sometimes we all are wrong. But we go with our best instinct when it comes to that... especially if we're listening to what are often subtle details on cheap monitors.

I guess all I'm saying is that human senses are quite easily fooled, especially when the're not isolated. Your ears can fool your eyes and vice versa. If anyone here thinks they're immune to that... I would find that surprising.

[MaxSynths]

But it does sound better to me and so I agree with the blog

Online Dictionary:

Sound
[...]
verb (used without object)
16. to convey a certain impression when heard or read: to sound strange. [or better... ]

Impression
[...]
noun
4. a notion, remembrance, belief, etc., often of a vague or indistinct nature: He had a general impression of lights, voices, and the clinking of silver.

Case solved

[miedex]

but that's not even legal

No I checked, marriage to inanimate objects is legal in 12 states.

I still have the cellophane wrapper my Studio One box came in if anyone is interested in getting some tax benefits.

[LawrenceF]

P.S. It's all moot. Everyone knows Garageband sounds the best.