A great bunch of tracks this time!
5pt: Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
Something nostalgic here for me with this track. The lead reminds me of the first time I went preset flipping on a K2000 and found a couple beautiful patches that sounded amazing, even with my poor playing. The progression makes me remember many happy nights playing Final Fantasy II on the Super Nintendo; still love it!
4pt: bzur - No More Tears
More fuel for the fire, I know... The first part of this song is absolutely perfect; as always, your tracks are great. Only thing for me is that I felt a little lost in the middle section, probably wanting some variation on the main melody to be present.
3pt: Photonic - beyond horizon
Another K2000-esque lead with this one for me; wonderful variation in sounds/themes/voicing. I liked everything about this track - maybe the percussion is the only thing that didn't land this one on top.
2pt: Jasinski - The Locusts Approach
So much stuff going on in this track it's hard not to find something to like... in my case, just about all of it - unique sounds, great variation and lead-ins, inventive extras throughout. That smack-you-down snare is just awesome as is the arpy-breakdown section.
1pt: Bjporter - In the Key of G
Best drum programming of the lot, hands down. Unique overall sound, I dig the spastic transitions and a bunch of the sounds used throughout.
A few runners up, in no particular order: Bjulin - Asellus Borealis, Gorgorgathgorgorgor - Number Two, painpotato - Unidentified Element, Yeager - Wishy washy
Thanks for the music, all!
One-Synth-Challenge 37: Helix beta - Voting and Results
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- KVRAF
- 2241 posts since 29 Sep, 2011
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- KVRer
- 22 posts since 8 Jan, 2012
Heyas!
Here are my votes, it's been difficult.
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis - 5 points
Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 4 points
Yeager - Wishy washy - 3 points
jasinski - The locusts approach - 2 points
Bjporter - In the Key of G - 1 point
Well done everybody!
Don't think i'll be contesting with Olga... I like the dirty look and the dirty sound, but it crashes my Ableton. It works with Reaper, but i don't use Reaper in ages and can't work comfortably with it.
Anyway, still not inspired for any stuff, can't get the sounds I want, need my time, etc... It's too much for me
Good luck all
Here are my votes, it's been difficult.
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis - 5 points
Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 4 points
Yeager - Wishy washy - 3 points
jasinski - The locusts approach - 2 points
Bjporter - In the Key of G - 1 point
Well done everybody!
Don't think i'll be contesting with Olga... I like the dirty look and the dirty sound, but it crashes my Ableton. It works with Reaper, but i don't use Reaper in ages and can't work comfortably with it.
Anyway, still not inspired for any stuff, can't get the sounds I want, need my time, etc... It's too much for me
Good luck all
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- KVRist
- 225 posts since 1 Jul, 2004 from Germany
Hi,
after a long drive on the motorway my results for the Challenge are clear to go
5 Points: PulseWidthModulation - FlightIntoLight
4 Points: Bzur - NoMoreTears
3 Points: Photonic - BeyondHorizon
2 Points: Gorgorgathgorgorgor - NumberTwo
1 Point: Bjporter - InTheKeyOfG
Great tracks this month, beautifull music.
I'm very short in time this month, so good luck to you all!
after a long drive on the motorway my results for the Challenge are clear to go
5 Points: PulseWidthModulation - FlightIntoLight
4 Points: Bzur - NoMoreTears
3 Points: Photonic - BeyondHorizon
2 Points: Gorgorgathgorgorgor - NumberTwo
1 Point: Bjporter - InTheKeyOfG
Great tracks this month, beautifull music.
I'm very short in time this month, so good luck to you all!
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 18 Feb, 2010
Bzur - NoMoreTears - 5 Points
Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 4 Points
Jasinski - The locusts approach - 3 Points
Painpotato - Unidentified Element - 2 Points
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis - 1 Point
Putting the music in a single order while the music posted has so many different aspects, was tougher than I thought. It was fun though. Thank you for the tunes.
Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 4 Points
Jasinski - The locusts approach - 3 Points
Painpotato - Unidentified Element - 2 Points
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis - 1 Point
Putting the music in a single order while the music posted has so many different aspects, was tougher than I thought. It was fun though. Thank you for the tunes.
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- KVRAF
- 2656 posts since 18 Mar, 2011 from Spain
I got some time to listen all the tracks, at last.
It was a difficult decision, all the tracks and votes was flying up and down until now.
So here goes my champions of this month.
1) Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 5 Points
A precious electronic balad. It makes you daydreaming, to get abstracted into the sounds.
I also can perceive the love in the composition and the chord progressions.
I feel like if i were falling into somewhere, from the clouds, slowly. Feeling the breeze in my face.
Very well mastered, as usual from you. In a flawless track which is already in my playlist.
My 5 points this month are for you.
2) Bzur - No more tears - 4 Points
The best chilling track i heard from Bzur so far. I love that chord progression in the beginning since i was a child. Easy but effective.
It's a pleasant track with a good and warm composition. Always you can hear new sounds in every compass.
The percussive sounds and the melody are very asian to me. A kind of Taiko drums.
It made remind of Shinobi II Revenge from Sega Genesis - MegaDrive love song.
No more tears, yes, but sad anyway. And another track full of love. An impossible love with hope.
In my playlist for sure. Take your 4 points from me and don't cry anymore, lol.
And be aware! Your handicap just has raised with this track, so i expect the same feeling quality as this one from you every month from now.
3) Photonic - Beyond Horizon - 3 Points
Amazing and epic intro in a Vangelis alike track. Amazing leads, great SFX percs, nice grooving bassline and a great composition.
The chord progression are epic and powerful.
I daydreamed of i was in a cliff. Feeling the breeze in my body. Below there was a huge landscape, rivers, mountains.
And suddently the melody teleported me to a futuristic city, in the night. This time at the top of a huge building or bridge.
You made me dream, and this is a very important in the music. In my playlist too. Take my 3 points and keep up the good work.
4) BJPorter - In the Key of G - 2 Points
Well, when i saw the pic for first time i was like, What the heck will going on with this track? A kind of badass Hiphop or something?
Then i started playing the track and i got very surprised in a good way. Pure kind of electronic sounds that i usually like.
Powerful sounds, huge layered percussions and high synthys.
But at same time, the first time i heard the pad and "guitar" feedback SFX, my brain just exploded. Unbelievable! It's just an amazing mix with nice layered epic sounds!
Extreme sidechain is extreme, but i like sidechain and extreme "effects" so all fine with me.
A bit repetitive in some parts and too many white noise in the background pads. In my playlist too anyway. Keep up the good work.
5) Jasinski - The Locust Approach - 1 Point
I liked the track a lot. Interesting amount of minimalistic sounds and chords. Nice groovy loop with filter changes.
In fact i was starting something alike to this for this month, i wanted to do something different. But when i heard this one, i gave up, also no time. This is much better.
Very nice drums and beats plus bassline. Very well made, it's difficult to play with filters like you did with these low freqs. Interesting composition too and nice SFX sounds.
It made reminds any kind of japanesse minimal pure electronic track that i heard in the past. In my playlist too. Keep up the good work.
Kudos to
Dzah and the amazing symphonic instrumentation soundtrack.
Yeager and his great vowels and wild intro pads.
BJulin and the different style track from him, nice intro!
MikeBenson and his nice groovy bassline riff and percs.
Z.Prime and the relaxing textures in the track. As usual, it makes you think.
Gorgotgath and the good intro and Vangelis alike sounds.
RuediRena, the boss of making SFX sounds.
Pulse Width Modulation with that great flying between clouds track, full of nice ideas and pleasant to listen.
InterSlot Call and his Prodigy style sounds. The beginning of that track reminds of some Liam Howlett ideas.
Revorg1 and his huge amount of work, three tracks!
But all the other tracks were great too. Don't give up and continue making music, that's the most important.
Keep up the good work, guys.
I will try to get time to come this month with Olga, i will have less time to make a track, i will start to work tomorrow as graphic web designer (at last a work)
so let's see if i have time to make the whole track.
Things are going better lately, at least economically, at last. About time...
Have a good day guys
It was a difficult decision, all the tracks and votes was flying up and down until now.
So here goes my champions of this month.
1) Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 5 Points
A precious electronic balad. It makes you daydreaming, to get abstracted into the sounds.
I also can perceive the love in the composition and the chord progressions.
I feel like if i were falling into somewhere, from the clouds, slowly. Feeling the breeze in my face.
Very well mastered, as usual from you. In a flawless track which is already in my playlist.
My 5 points this month are for you.
2) Bzur - No more tears - 4 Points
The best chilling track i heard from Bzur so far. I love that chord progression in the beginning since i was a child. Easy but effective.
It's a pleasant track with a good and warm composition. Always you can hear new sounds in every compass.
The percussive sounds and the melody are very asian to me. A kind of Taiko drums.
It made remind of Shinobi II Revenge from Sega Genesis - MegaDrive love song.
No more tears, yes, but sad anyway. And another track full of love. An impossible love with hope.
In my playlist for sure. Take your 4 points from me and don't cry anymore, lol.
And be aware! Your handicap just has raised with this track, so i expect the same feeling quality as this one from you every month from now.
3) Photonic - Beyond Horizon - 3 Points
Amazing and epic intro in a Vangelis alike track. Amazing leads, great SFX percs, nice grooving bassline and a great composition.
The chord progression are epic and powerful.
I daydreamed of i was in a cliff. Feeling the breeze in my body. Below there was a huge landscape, rivers, mountains.
And suddently the melody teleported me to a futuristic city, in the night. This time at the top of a huge building or bridge.
You made me dream, and this is a very important in the music. In my playlist too. Take my 3 points and keep up the good work.
4) BJPorter - In the Key of G - 2 Points
Well, when i saw the pic for first time i was like, What the heck will going on with this track? A kind of badass Hiphop or something?
Then i started playing the track and i got very surprised in a good way. Pure kind of electronic sounds that i usually like.
Powerful sounds, huge layered percussions and high synthys.
But at same time, the first time i heard the pad and "guitar" feedback SFX, my brain just exploded. Unbelievable! It's just an amazing mix with nice layered epic sounds!
Extreme sidechain is extreme, but i like sidechain and extreme "effects" so all fine with me.
A bit repetitive in some parts and too many white noise in the background pads. In my playlist too anyway. Keep up the good work.
5) Jasinski - The Locust Approach - 1 Point
I liked the track a lot. Interesting amount of minimalistic sounds and chords. Nice groovy loop with filter changes.
In fact i was starting something alike to this for this month, i wanted to do something different. But when i heard this one, i gave up, also no time. This is much better.
Very nice drums and beats plus bassline. Very well made, it's difficult to play with filters like you did with these low freqs. Interesting composition too and nice SFX sounds.
It made reminds any kind of japanesse minimal pure electronic track that i heard in the past. In my playlist too. Keep up the good work.
Kudos to
Dzah and the amazing symphonic instrumentation soundtrack.
Yeager and his great vowels and wild intro pads.
BJulin and the different style track from him, nice intro!
MikeBenson and his nice groovy bassline riff and percs.
Z.Prime and the relaxing textures in the track. As usual, it makes you think.
Gorgotgath and the good intro and Vangelis alike sounds.
RuediRena, the boss of making SFX sounds.
Pulse Width Modulation with that great flying between clouds track, full of nice ideas and pleasant to listen.
InterSlot Call and his Prodigy style sounds. The beginning of that track reminds of some Liam Howlett ideas.
Revorg1 and his huge amount of work, three tracks!
But all the other tracks were great too. Don't give up and continue making music, that's the most important.
Keep up the good work, guys.
I will try to get time to come this month with Olga, i will have less time to make a track, i will start to work tomorrow as graphic web designer (at last a work)
so let's see if i have time to make the whole track.
Things are going better lately, at least economically, at last. About time...
Have a good day guys
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- KVRist
- 485 posts since 19 Feb, 2011
Wow, I'm quite glad I didn't compete this month - what an amazing selection of music, the strongest bunch of tunes I can remember since I started doing OSC! A lot of Vangelis style music which is right up my street so felt obliged to drop in and vote
Some truly exceptional tunes but even in such a strong field there were some that still managed to stand out - I can see that my top 5 is very similar to several other voters
5 points - Jasinski - The Locust Approach
I though this was truly original, I loved the infectious beat and great variation of sounds and styles crammed into the piece which all fitted together effortlessly
4 points - Photonic - Beyond Horizon
Simply beautiful, really captured that epic Vangelis feel, immaculately reproduced sounds and great variation throughout the track
3 points - Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
Just stunning, great tune and superbly produced
2 points - Bzur - No More Tears
I've said enough nice things about bzur over the months - just take your points!
1 point - BJPorter - In the Key of G
Just had to include this - the best synthesized drum sounds I've heard in any OSC, ever. Respect to you my friend
Honorable mentions to the following who were also so good it made it difficult to decide who to vote for!
Yeager - Wishy washy - brilliant opening section
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis - great sounds and great pumping beat
z.prime - Leaving Home - great tune, excellent production
Pulse Width Modulation - Flight Into Light - good fusion of classic Vangelis retro fused with modern dance groove, I enjoyed the freeform solo
Well done everyone!
Jon
Some truly exceptional tunes but even in such a strong field there were some that still managed to stand out - I can see that my top 5 is very similar to several other voters
5 points - Jasinski - The Locust Approach
I though this was truly original, I loved the infectious beat and great variation of sounds and styles crammed into the piece which all fitted together effortlessly
4 points - Photonic - Beyond Horizon
Simply beautiful, really captured that epic Vangelis feel, immaculately reproduced sounds and great variation throughout the track
3 points - Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
Just stunning, great tune and superbly produced
2 points - Bzur - No More Tears
I've said enough nice things about bzur over the months - just take your points!
1 point - BJPorter - In the Key of G
Just had to include this - the best synthesized drum sounds I've heard in any OSC, ever. Respect to you my friend
Honorable mentions to the following who were also so good it made it difficult to decide who to vote for!
Yeager - Wishy washy - brilliant opening section
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis - great sounds and great pumping beat
z.prime - Leaving Home - great tune, excellent production
Pulse Width Modulation - Flight Into Light - good fusion of classic Vangelis retro fused with modern dance groove, I enjoyed the freeform solo
Well done everyone!
Jon
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- KVRian
- 696 posts since 6 Nov, 2011 from The Netherlands
photonic wrote:[..]
3 points: Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
Take a good pair of headphones, close your eyes and listen to 4 minutes of wellness! A perfect track after a stressful day in the office.
mikebenson wrote:[..]
Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming : 3 pts (beautiful melody)
Bjulin wrote:[..]
Solidtracks - Miracles (2 pts.)
This is a very groovy track, too... It feels like a happy time with Iceskating
z.prime wrote: 5pt: Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
Something nostalgic here for me with this track. The lead reminds me of the first time I went preset flipping on a K2000 and found a couple beautiful patches that sounded amazing, even with my poor playing. The progression makes me remember many happy nights playing Final Fantasy II on the Super Nintendo; still love it!
InterSlotCall wrote:[..]
Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 4 points
webno wrote:[..]
Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 4 Points
Doc Jon wrote:[..]
3 points - Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
Just stunning, great tune and superbly produced
We want to thank you all for voting for our tracks! The feedback some of you wrote are amazing, and we would never have imagined to hear so many positive things about our tracks, it makes us a little bit overwhelmed with emotions and it is motivating us a lot to make more and more tracks! Thanks again all of you!!IrionDaRonin wrote:[..]
1) Solidtrax - Are we dreaming - 5 Points
A precious electronic balad. It makes you daydreaming, to get abstracted into the sounds.
I also can perceive the love in the composition and the chord progressions.
I feel like if i were falling into somewhere, from the clouds, slowly. Feeling the breeze in my face.
Very well mastered, as usual from you. In a flawless track which is already in my playlist.
My 5 points this month are for you.
And btw, we are allmost ready with our votes for this month.. wow, tough job people, we can't decide easily, not at all!!
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- KVRian
- 696 posts since 6 Nov, 2011 from The Netherlands
bzur - No More Tears
As always a great OSC track from you. The bass and all your other sounds are so well patched and played: Just amazing! Emotional track with a great acoustic kickdrum. The mix is crisp and fat.
5 points
Pain Potato - Unidentified Element
This track really surprised us. It is one gigantic build up, it doesn't stop. It could easily be used as a demo track for this synthesizer, for a movie (-trailer) or commercial. Great stuff.
4 points
z.prime - Leaving Home
This is a great track that keeps telling us to groove along. The sounds are full of nice effects and the mix is apart from that it's very full at some times, very balanced.
3 points
Jasinski - The Locusts Approach v2.0
This track does remind us of a mixture between italo tracks and a track of the chemical brothers. The sounds are great. The mix is good, although the mix of v1 was more 'in your face'
2 points
Photonic - beyond horizon - Great epic sphere and we feel what you're telling us. 80's all over the place and full of emotion.
1 point
Kudos:
Bjporter - In the Key of G - This track is drumwise the best. and the sidechained sound is great!
Yeager - Wishy Washy - Great hiphop /rnb /freestyle track. The distorted lead is a little too hard in our opinion.
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis great track, mix is ok, but most leads outclass the drums.
As always a great OSC track from you. The bass and all your other sounds are so well patched and played: Just amazing! Emotional track with a great acoustic kickdrum. The mix is crisp and fat.
5 points
Pain Potato - Unidentified Element
This track really surprised us. It is one gigantic build up, it doesn't stop. It could easily be used as a demo track for this synthesizer, for a movie (-trailer) or commercial. Great stuff.
4 points
z.prime - Leaving Home
This is a great track that keeps telling us to groove along
. The sounds are full of nice effects and the mix is apart from that it's very full at some times, very balanced.3 points
Jasinski - The Locusts Approach v2.0
This track does remind us of a mixture between italo tracks and a track of the chemical brothers. The sounds are great. The mix is good, although the mix of v1 was more 'in your face'
2 points
Photonic - beyond horizon - Great epic sphere and we feel what you're telling us. 80's all over the place and full of emotion.
1 point
Kudos:
Bjporter - In the Key of G - This track is drumwise the best. and the sidechained sound is great!
Yeager - Wishy Washy - Great hiphop /rnb /freestyle track. The distorted lead is a little too hard in our opinion.
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis great track, mix is ok, but most leads outclass the drums.
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- KVRist
- 228 posts since 3 Sep, 2010
I don't participate in OSC, but I like to listen to all the amazing pieces of music you all produce, and this month was no exception. Here are my favorites:
1. (5pts) - Bjulin - Asellus Borealis
2. (4pts) - z.prime - Leaving Home
3. (3pts) - bzur - No More Tears
4. (2pts) - solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
5. (1pts) - Yeager - Wishy Washy
Congratulations to all participants, very nice tracks from every one.
G.
1. (5pts) - Bjulin - Asellus Borealis
2. (4pts) - z.prime - Leaving Home
3. (3pts) - bzur - No More Tears
4. (2pts) - solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
5. (1pts) - Yeager - Wishy Washy
Congratulations to all participants, very nice tracks from every one.
G.
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- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 28 Jun, 2005
Here are my (late) votes:
Solidtracks - Miracles 5 points
Jasinski - The Locusts Approach 4 points
PainPotato - Unidentified Element 3 points
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis 2 points
bzur - No More Tears 1 point
Well done everyone, and thanks for the comments, here and on SC.
Solidtracks - Miracles 5 points
Jasinski - The Locusts Approach 4 points
PainPotato - Unidentified Element 3 points
Bjulin - Asellus Borealis 2 points
bzur - No More Tears 1 point
Well done everyone, and thanks for the comments, here and on SC.
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- KVRist
- 35 posts since 6 Apr, 2004 from Denmark
Hi everybody
Finally decided my votes (wov it was really really hard this month, so many great tracks and not enough points
Here they are though:
5pts : Painpotato - Unidentified element
4pts : bzur - No more tears
3pts : SolidTrax - Are we dreaming
2pts : z.prime - Leaving Home
1pts : Bjulin - Asellus Borealis
And all my personal runners up: Gorgorgathgorgorgor(please explain that name someday - Pussycats masquerade, Skyzone - Helix Chopper, Jasinski - The Locust Approach, Photonic - Beyond Horizon, Yeager - Wishy Washy and BJPorter - in the Key of G
And to all the rest of you thanks for sharing all that lovely, strange and diverse music , the competition this month was just amazing.
CJohs
Finally decided my votes (wov it was really really hard this month, so many great tracks and not enough points
Here they are though:
5pts : Painpotato - Unidentified element
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Great beat, excellent rhythmic contentAnd to all the rest of you thanks for sharing all that lovely, strange and diverse music , the competition this month was just amazing.
CJohs
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- KVRian
- 552 posts since 23 Mar, 2011 from Schwerte, Germany
5 points: Jasinski - The Locust Approach
4 points: Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
3 points: BJPorter - In the Key of G
2 points: Bzur - No More Tears
1 point: Bjulin - Asellus Borealis
List of honor: mikebenson, Gorgorgathgorgorgor, Yeager, DzAH, z.prime, Kraftraum, Painpotato, Photonic
It is so cool to be part of this!
Ruedi
4 points: Solidtrax - Are We Dreaming
3 points: BJPorter - In the Key of G
2 points: Bzur - No More Tears
1 point: Bjulin - Asellus Borealis
List of honor: mikebenson, Gorgorgathgorgorgor, Yeager, DzAH, z.prime, Kraftraum, Painpotato, Photonic
It is so cool to be part of this!
Ruedi
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- KVRist
- 70 posts since 1 Nov, 2011 from US
Dzah Helix Philharmonica Hope 5 votes
Bzur No More Tears 4 votes
Rvorg Creature Featur 972 3 votes
Bjulin Asellus Borealis 2 votes
Mike Benson Helicalusaious 1 vote
Enjoyed all the others but had to make a choice.
Bzur No More Tears 4 votes
Rvorg Creature Featur 972 3 votes
Bjulin Asellus Borealis 2 votes
Mike Benson Helicalusaious 1 vote
Enjoyed all the others but had to make a choice.
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- KVRist
- 77 posts since 27 Nov, 2011 from Norway
Was very difficult to vote, but I ended up with this:
5p bzur - No More Tears
4p Painpotato - Unidentified Element
3p Photonic - beyond horizon
2p Bjulin - Asellus Borealis
1p Yeager - Wishy washy
If anyone want me to comment their track (what I think was good and not so good, what could be done better, how close to get points etc.) just msg me and I will give honest answers
Regarding my own track:
Thanks a lot for all comments/feedback/points etc.
and btw, To those of you who like my track and orchestral music in general.. I just bought Miroslav Philharmonic (Total Workstation 2 Instruments Bundle), and Im planing to make a remake of that track with "real" orchestra, with a lot more instruments and choir etc. Hope you will check it out
thank you soooo much !
5p bzur - No More Tears
4p Painpotato - Unidentified Element
3p Photonic - beyond horizon
2p Bjulin - Asellus Borealis
1p Yeager - Wishy washy
If anyone want me to comment their track (what I think was good and not so good, what could be done better, how close to get points etc.) just msg me and I will give honest answers
Regarding my own track:
Thanks a lot for all comments/feedback/points etc.
and btw, To those of you who like my track and orchestral music in general.. I just bought Miroslav Philharmonic (Total Workstation 2 Instruments Bundle), and Im planing to make a remake of that track with "real" orchestra, with a lot more instruments and choir etc. Hope you will check it out
wowkey88 wrote:Dzah Helix Philharmonica Hope 5 votes
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- KVRist
- 35 posts since 6 Apr, 2004 from Denmark
I also have Miroslav, however in combination with Ableton it crashes sometimes, ableton claims it is a Miroslav problemDzAH wrote: I just bought Miroslav Philharmonic (Total Workstation 2 Instruments Bundle), and Im planing to make a remake of that track with "real" orchestra, with a lot more instruments and choir etc. Hope you will check it out
so if you are on ableton be aware of this.Looking forward to listening to the full orchestral rendition though