Android Tablets?

[IncarnateX]

I am not trolling....jerk!

Oh my, you're sensitive. Need a tissue?

Thanks for the invitation to a long and meaningful conversation but I must decline; you are simply too unimportant.

You were going to have a meaningful conversation with a tissue?

So you are a tissue, you say? In that case: Hit the road Mr. Tissue and don't come back no more. I don't want to have a conversation with you no matter what you are.

[IncarnateX]

That's what I figured, but you were quoting my last post, hence the clarification.

Yeah and thanks for that. I actually thought it was an interesting discussion because you both seemed to have some knowledge about what's coming. Unlike Mr. Tissue's suggestion, I was not trolling, just asking.

Cheers

[sonicflux]

Your arrogance is only trumped by your lack of wit. Please continue failing. It's very amusing, troll.

[IncarnateX]

Your arrogance is only trumped by your lack of wit. Please continue failing. It's very amusing, troll.

Whatever. Please calm down now. It is only the internet. You know; strings of words with no faces. Nothing special.

[Snoo]

Great thread you guys

[J.C]

Want some Popcorn? It was just the first half

[Snoo]

As Religion dies out Operating Systems will replace it. Wars will be fought in the name of Jobs, Gates & Google.

[J.C]

Amen.

[UltraJv]

Ok, heres something to discuss. The argument over X86 being too hot and noisy with cooling fans in a tablet format. The new ipad ARM now has a problem. Seems that too little attention has been paid to cooling :

"The iPad 3 wasn't hot, but warm enough to be uncomfortable. That plus the extra weight made it not worth the new display to me, as awesome as it is. :/ "


Many have said this about newer X86 laptops. So despite being low power, ARM has its limitations and form factor seems to have reached a crux. The decision over X86 or ARM for a smaller form factor only goes so far. Thermal management rears it head in either when graphics are pushed. Microsoft (XBOX), Sony and others went through this years ago. The decision to put fans in is wise. You cant add them after.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/38 ... 5&tstart=0

[polaris20]

Ok, heres something to discuss. The argument over X86 being too hot and noisy with cooling fans in a tablet format. The new ipad ARM now has a problem. Seems that too little attention has been paid to cooling :

"The iPad 3 wasn't hot, but warm enough to be uncomfortable. That plus the extra weight made it not worth the new display to me, as awesome as it is. :/ "


Many have said this about newer X86 laptops. So despite being low power, ARM has its limitations and form factor seems to have reached a crux. The decision over X86 or ARM for a smaller form factor only goes so far. Thermal management rears it head in either when graphics are pushed. Microsoft (XBOX) and others went through this years ago. The decision to put fans in is wise. You cant add them after.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/38 ... 5&tstart=0

What argument about x86 being too hot? I was referring to one individual tablet, not x86 in general.

As for the iPad 3 being too hot, I've seen the posts, but luckily I've not yet experienced it, despite using GarageBand, iPhoto, and iMovie continuously.

Perhaps it's not how it was designed, rather how the first run was put together? I don't know. It doesn't seem to be a universal problem though, after Googling it.

[UltraJv]

Ok, heres something to discuss. The argument over X86 being too hot and noisy with cooling fans in a tablet format. The new ipad ARM now has a problem. Seems that too little attention has been paid to cooling :

"The iPad 3 wasn't hot, but warm enough to be uncomfortable. That plus the extra weight made it not worth the new display to me, as awesome as it is. :/ "


Many have said this about newer X86 laptops. So despite being low power, ARM has its limitations and form factor seems to have reached a crux. The decision over X86 or ARM for a smaller form factor only goes so far. Thermal management rears it head in either when graphics are pushed. Microsoft (XBOX) and others went through this years ago. The decision to put fans in is wise. You cant add them after.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/38 ... 5&tstart=0

What argument about x86 being too hot? I was referring to one individual tablet, not x86 in general.

As for the iPad 3 being too hot, I've seen the posts, but luckily I've not yet experienced it, despite using GarageBand, iPhoto, and iMovie continuously.

Perhaps it's not how it was designed, rather how the first run was put together? I don't know. It doesn't seem to be a universal problem though, after Googling it.

The problem seems to be when using high performance 3D in games etc. When the full power of the ARM is put to use. The apps youre using wouldnt tax it.

[polaris20]

The problem seems to be when using high performance 3D in games etc. When the full power of the ARM is put to use. The apps youre using wouldnt tax it.

Infinity Blade, Mortal Combat, Rage, and Spiderman all do fine too, but none of them are retina capable yet.

EDIT

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12 ... _ipad.html

So......it got up to 13 degrees hotter than the iPad 2 did, but according to the Consumer Reports person, wasn't uncomfortable to hold at its hottest.

Apple says it's within operating temperatures. So......what's the story? Laptops have been burning thighs for years, but because this is the latest and greatest from Apple, it's newsworthy.

I don't really think it's the ARM processor directly, rather it's the quad core GPU and larger battery. The processor is basically the same one used in the 2.

[UltraJv]

The problem seems to be when using high performance 3D in games etc. When the full power of the ARM is put to use. The apps youre using wouldnt tax it.

Infinity Blade, Mortal Combat, Rage, and Spiderman all do fine too, but none of them are retina capable yet.

EDIT

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12 ... _ipad.html

So......it got up to 13 degrees hotter than the iPad 2 did, but according to the Consumer Reports person, wasn't uncomfortable to hold at its hottest.

Apple says it's within operating temperatures. So......what's the story? Laptops have been burning thighs for years, but because this is the latest and greatest from Apple, it's newsworthy.

I don't really think it's the ARM processor directly, rather it's the quad core GPU and larger battery. The processor is basically the same one used in the 2.

The story is that ARM isnt the cool customer its thought to be. Saying that laptops do it is ignoring the thermal design. In other words, if its getting hot, next gen will be hotter. Look out for shorter component lifetimes, failures in warmer climates, Failures due to vent blocking, case cracking, display discoloration as well. Also, if its going to get hot, whats the advantage of ARM in that form factor? Might as well go X86. Of course Apple say its in spec, they will keep moving the goalposts and youll never know. They handed out rubber bands for the iphone. I guess it will be oven gloves for the ipad

[polaris20]

The problem seems to be when using high performance 3D in games etc. When the full power of the ARM is put to use. The apps youre using wouldnt tax it.

Infinity Blade, Mortal Combat, Rage, and Spiderman all do fine too, but none of them are retina capable yet.

EDIT

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12 ... _ipad.html

So......it got up to 13 degrees hotter than the iPad 2 did, but according to the Consumer Reports person, wasn't uncomfortable to hold at its hottest.

Apple says it's within operating temperatures. So......what's the story? Laptops have been burning thighs for years, but because this is the latest and greatest from Apple, it's newsworthy.

I don't really think it's the ARM processor directly, rather it's the quad core GPU and larger battery. The processor is basically the same one used in the 2.

The story is that ARM isnt the cool customer its thought to be. Saying that laptops do it is ignoring the thermal design. In other words, if its getting hot, next gen will be hotter. Look out for shorter component lifetimes, failures in warmer climates, Failures due to vent blocking, case cracking, display discoloration as well. Also, if its going to get hot, whats the advantage of ARM in that form factor? Might as well go X86. Of course Apple say its in spec, they will keep moving the goalposts and youll never know. They handed out rubber bands for the iphone. I guess it will be oven gloves for the ipad

Again, everything I've read across multiple sites is that it is merely warmer, not too hot to touch. And as far as the next gen processors always being hotter, people have been saying that since the Pentium 4 Prescott days, and that's clearly not how it's been. Faster != hotter in all cases. You should know better than that.

And the reason it's getting hotter is NOT the ARM processor itself; it's the addition of the quad core graphics. Otherwise it's the same processor as in the 2, and that didn't get hot. The third gen iPad doesn't get hot either, UNLESS it's with games. Using iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, Sampletank etc. for extended periods of time do not result in warmer temps.

Also, I've not kept up to date on the Atom or ULV Core developments; which one is getting 10+ hours of battery life?

[UltraJv]

The problem seems to be when using high performance 3D in games etc. When the full power of the ARM is put to use. The apps youre using wouldnt tax it.

Infinity Blade, Mortal Combat, Rage, and Spiderman all do fine too, but none of them are retina capable yet.

EDIT

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12 ... _ipad.html

So......it got up to 13 degrees hotter than the iPad 2 did, but according to the Consumer Reports person, wasn't uncomfortable to hold at its hottest.

Apple says it's within operating temperatures. So......what's the story? Laptops have been burning thighs for years, but because this is the latest and greatest from Apple, it's newsworthy.

I don't really think it's the ARM processor directly, rather it's the quad core GPU and larger battery. The processor is basically the same one used in the 2.

The story is that ARM isnt the cool customer its thought to be. Saying that laptops do it is ignoring the thermal design. In other words, if its getting hot, next gen will be hotter. Look out for shorter component lifetimes, failures in warmer climates, Failures due to vent blocking, case cracking, display discoloration as well. Also, if its going to get hot, whats the advantage of ARM in that form factor? Might as well go X86. Of course Apple say its in spec, they will keep moving the goalposts and youll never know. They handed out rubber bands for the iphone. I guess it will be oven gloves for the ipad

Again, everything I've read across multiple sites is that it is merely warmer, not too hot to touch. And as far as the next gen processors always being hotter, people have been saying that since the Pentium 4 Prescott days, and that's clearly not how it's been. Faster != hotter in all cases. You should know better than that.

And the reason it's getting hotter is NOT the ARM processor itself; it's the addition of the quad core graphics. Otherwise it's the same processor as in the 2, and that didn't get hot. The third gen iPad doesn't get hot either, UNLESS it's with games. Using iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, Sampletank etc. for extended periods of time do not result in warmer temps.

Also, I've not kept up to date on the Atom or ULV Core developments; which one is getting 10+ hours of battery life?

You fence well sir, touche