Anybody have a suggestion what VST distortion or fuzz effect to use to get the very round, very mildly fuzzed sound of Justin Hayward's work w Moody Blues?
Pls see this video:
at about the 2:47 mark
Thx
VST for Moody Blues guitar fuzz effect?
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- KVRian
- 1156 posts since 10 Apr, 2006
someone else has asked a similar question 
google is your friend.
so, i'd suspect an amp sim with a good ac-30 model would be a good start, and some sort of fuzz pedal. i'd guess amplitube should work okay.
k
google is your friend.i think consensus is that the fuzz in question is a marshall Supa Fuzz.Justin's Response:
Dear Steve
Yes, it was a Mashall fuzz unit (I have never seen another one), either through a Vox AC 30 very loud (I would wear the headphones only to keep the noise out), or straight into the desk, with the 335 on the middle pick-up."
so, i'd suspect an amp sim with a good ac-30 model would be a good start, and some sort of fuzz pedal. i'd guess amplitube should work okay.
k
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- KVRAF
- 2331 posts since 3 Sep, 2005 from Outer Bongolia
According to Fuzz Central "The Marshall Supa Fuzz is an "almost twin" of the ToneBender MKII...The sound of the pedals should be nearly the same, although the Supa Fuzz will probably be bassier...", but I don't know if there are any VST emulations of the ToneBender MKII either, so I guess that doesn't really help much.kelldammit wrote:i think consensus is that the fuzz in question is a marshall Supa Fuzz.
Mokafix just came out with a whole series of fuzz pedal VSTs that seem to be popular - I don't know if any are based on the Supa Fuzz or ToneBender, but there is a KVR thread about them here.
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- KVRian
- 1156 posts since 10 Apr, 2006
thanks for the fuzzcentral link. cool stuff. since the vox unit is likewise pretty similar, i'd guess vox's own tonelab could also be a workable option.guitarzan wrote:According to Fuzz Central "The Marshall Supa Fuzz is an "almost twin" of the ToneBender MKII...The sound of the pedals should be nearly the same, although the Supa Fuzz will probably be bassier...", but I don't know if there are any VST emulations of the ToneBender MKII either, so I guess that doesn't really help much.
Mokafix just came out with a whole series of fuzz pedal VSTs that seem to be popular - I don't know if any are based on the Supa Fuzz or ToneBender, but there is a KVR thread about them here.
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- Banned
- 1021 posts since 31 Mar, 2009
Amplitube 3, Guitar Rig 4, Vandal, or Overloud TH1 should get you in the ballpark.
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- KVRist
- 176 posts since 12 Jun, 2006 from Montreal, Canada
what a great tone the moodies had. timeless music
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- KVRAF
- 3540 posts since 1 Oct, 2006 from Um! Where is this?
The AuraPlug fuzz pedals are nice too.Might be worth a try.
http://www.kvraudio.com/developer/auraplug
and don't forget good old FuzzPlus.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/937
http://www.kvraudio.com/developer/auraplug
and don't forget good old FuzzPlus.
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/937
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
I don't have any VST recommendations, but this reminds me of two things:
- I owned a Marshall Supa Fuzz in the 1990's. Traded it for a 1970's Big Muff. Probably not a great trade, but I always preferred the Big Muff sound.
- I have a Tone Bender Mk II circuit board + transistors that I need to make one of these days.
One of these days, I should try my hand at modelling fuzz boxes. I'd like to have a fuzz box plugin handy, just to be able to get the tones I like without having the hardware around. Plus, it seems like a fun research project, as I'd have to build a bunch of fuzz circuits in order to model them.
Having said this, I'm not convinced that this is the best use of a computer. The Supa Fuzz / Tone Bender Mk II uses 3 transistors: a single transistor booster feeding a 2-transistor fuzz circuit similar to a Fuzz Face. Assuming that a realistic model takes 1% of my laptop, that's 7.9 MILLION digital transistors being used to model 3 analog transistors. Plus, there is no way that a model in the computer will ever be able to model the interaction between the fuzz and the pickups. This is more of an issue with the Fuzz Face and Tone Benders, as these are known to have low impedance inputs, versus something like a Big Muff or Univox Super Fuzz.
As far as existing VSTs, a Fuzz Face emulation might get you close. Put an EQ and level circuit in front of the Fuzz Face emulation, in order to model the different coupling caps and impedance characteristics of the Tone Bender.
Sean Costello
- I owned a Marshall Supa Fuzz in the 1990's. Traded it for a 1970's Big Muff. Probably not a great trade, but I always preferred the Big Muff sound.
- I have a Tone Bender Mk II circuit board + transistors that I need to make one of these days.
One of these days, I should try my hand at modelling fuzz boxes. I'd like to have a fuzz box plugin handy, just to be able to get the tones I like without having the hardware around. Plus, it seems like a fun research project, as I'd have to build a bunch of fuzz circuits in order to model them.
Having said this, I'm not convinced that this is the best use of a computer. The Supa Fuzz / Tone Bender Mk II uses 3 transistors: a single transistor booster feeding a 2-transistor fuzz circuit similar to a Fuzz Face. Assuming that a realistic model takes 1% of my laptop, that's 7.9 MILLION digital transistors being used to model 3 analog transistors. Plus, there is no way that a model in the computer will ever be able to model the interaction between the fuzz and the pickups. This is more of an issue with the Fuzz Face and Tone Benders, as these are known to have low impedance inputs, versus something like a Big Muff or Univox Super Fuzz.
As far as existing VSTs, a Fuzz Face emulation might get you close. Put an EQ and level circuit in front of the Fuzz Face emulation, in order to model the different coupling caps and impedance characteristics of the Tone Bender.
Sean Costello
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- KVRist
- 176 posts since 12 Jun, 2006 from Montreal, Canada
that would be awesome valhallasound. love your plugins!!
those made by Mokafix Audio sounds great but make my CPU overload in Studio One 2. anyway this company seems dead?
those made by Mokafix Audio sounds great but make my CPU overload in Studio One 2. anyway this company seems dead?
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- KVRist
- 176 posts since 28 Dec, 2002 from Naperville, IL, USA
A Gibson ES335 into a Marshall Supa-Fuzz into AC30. He doubled his leads a lot as well.
VST-wise, this just came out, haven't heard it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/18315
Supa-Fuzz was a 3 tranny fuzz apparently. So the Tonebender should kind of sound similar.
Combine with a good AC30 sim and that should virtually get you close, in theory.
VST-wise, this just came out, haven't heard it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/18315
Supa-Fuzz was a 3 tranny fuzz apparently. So the Tonebender should kind of sound similar.
Combine with a good AC30 sim and that should virtually get you close, in theory.
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
Identical circuits for Supa Fuzz and Mk II Tone Bender, just different resistor/capacitor values. So the VST you list should work well, assuming that it models the Tone Bender accurately.Paul Vicory wrote:A Gibson ES335 into a Marshall Supa-Fuzz into AC30. He doubled his leads a lot as well.
VST-wise, this just came out, haven't heard it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/18315
Supa-Fuzz was a 3 tranny fuzz apparently. So the Tonebender should kind of sound similar.
Sean Costello
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- KVRist
- 176 posts since 28 Dec, 2002 from Naperville, IL, USA
If so EQ and maybe a little compression ought to get him to the same spot. Now I'm going to have to hunt down a Supa-Fuzz demo - just to hear how much of Justin's tone came from the pedal.valhallasound wrote:Identical circuits for Supa Fuzz and Mk II Tone Bender, just different resistor/capacitor values. So the VST you list should work well, assuming that it models the Tone Bender accurately.Paul Vicory wrote:A Gibson ES335 into a Marshall Supa-Fuzz into AC30. He doubled his leads a lot as well.
VST-wise, this just came out, haven't heard it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/18315
Supa-Fuzz was a 3 tranny fuzz apparently. So the Tonebender should kind of sound similar.
Sean Costello
Justin has a top five tone, imho. Very identifiable and expressive, almost a bit Claptonesque a la "While My Guitar Gently Weeps". Check out his lead on "The Day We Meet Again" for some fine pickin'.
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- KVRAF
- 5524 posts since 5 May, 2007 from Mars Colony
Justin's solo tone with his ES-335 was sometimes nothing short of remarkable, as in the outro to You and Me.Plajia wrote:what a great tone the moodies had. timeless music
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 30 Jun, 2007
Here is a free Fender Tone Bender Fuzz pedal based plugin : http://sites.google.com/site/distorque/ ... facebender