Get off my lawn!

[mandolarian]

Most pop music has always sucked. Sucked big raggy time in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s (huge sucking soda pop), 60s (Bubblegum - Yummy yummy), 70s (disco f**** disco), 80s (all hair, no balls), 90s (so much irony, so little musicality), 21st century (celeb branded corp-speak banality).

The best music has never been as popular as pop music. The best food isn't served at McD's and the best music isn't served on ClearFunnel. In spite of the best efforts of marketing mavens everywhere some great talent does get heard. For the rest of the insipid posers, Clint speaks for me:

[rifftrax]

You're kidding, right?

Those people are soul-depleted, sterilized abortions of Babyface, who all had the history of the R&B they came from callously wiped. Those people are why R&B hasn't really changed since New Jack Swing. Two decades of this bullshit is exactly why, now that the hood can make their own music without majors cherry picking over them and dictating how things will come out, only WANT to make shit like this. Because their identity was stolen, bastardized, and handed back to them for so long, they don't know anything else. And you're serious about their insane talent.

Wasted talent, at best.

Have you ever heard of Eligh and Amp Live? Tell me that is the same ole' "hip-hop from years and years ago". RIGHT. B.S. dude. Plenty of that stuff around actually.

Imogen is a different kind of trite from the rest. But she's also culturally dead slop meant to pick all the low hanging fruit it possibly can. Like uhhh that other chick... Amanda Palmer.

Wow, tell us how you really feel.

Have you ever heard of Eligh and Amp Live? You mean to tell me that's the same ole' "hip-hop from years and years ago"? B.S. Plenty of that stuff around actually.

Okay, let me at least tell you about Skrillz.

Sonny Moore (Skrillz) used to be the singer of a really horrible Post-Hardcore band whose purpose was to cash in on the Myspace-core trend of last decade. And when that trend peaked, he quit the band. Creative differences, he says. He spent a few years attempting to break into the vintage-indie schtick that was growing in popularity during the end of last decade. He failed miserably, but it'd just be unfair to assume it was because he had nobody to carry him this time. Now, wouldn't you know, he's interested in Dubstep! What a coincidence that he's always involved in hyped up genres with the biggest buzz of the moment. Anyway, after about a year hanging out with the biggest bottom feeder of house music, our buddy Deadmau5, his electronic music is all of a sudden on the bleeding edge of already hashed-out music the mainstream is ready to fork up!

I'm not sure how to begin describing how uninventive it all is.

Yes, I know Sonny Moore's story as well. Thanks for the redundant education though. You think I care if the good music I listen to was made by a sold-out hipster with illusions of grandeur vs. a coke-fueled guitar lead guitarist who is a dick to all his fans? Hell no I don't care. I'm talking about music not people. Sorry you can't get past that. Not my problem.

Uninventive because you don't like the person behind the music... right? Because I'm pretty sure that's what you just said. Wow, you're just out to teach the world a lesson about the 'proper' way to be a musician eh? Your way or the highway type of thing? Sure sounds like it.

Been listening to Hip Hop since I was eight years old.
Give me two dozen sub-genres. Give me ONE dozen good artists / groups making waves for Hip Hop right now.

How about 40 sub-genres. Gee that was easy.

I think that was about the same age I started listening to hip-hop. Whoopdeefuckingdoo.

Also, let me get this straight... you want me to now define music groups that are "making waves" for their respective genre? What the hell? Good music isn't good music unless it's actually proactively taking the entire genre somewhere? Wow, just wow. No, I'm not going to list that for you because I'm sure my list would be all wrong from your viewpoint.

Bonus points: Explain in what way they're making waves.

LOL, why the f**k does music need to have some specific highfalutin "motive" to exist and sound good? Of course there is culture associated with any 'style' of any music and a story or brach of motivation behind it. Duh. Kind of implied. I mean maybe horrorcore and gangsta rap gets to be a tiny bit pretentious depending on the artist but it's obvious you have a SERIOUS axe to grind.

I mean, it's cool and I realize tempo affects how an idea is gonna come off. But it just seems like a really weak way to defend a genre.

Who said anything about defending a genre? Why do I need to defend modern hip-hop?

By the way, I've noticed you seem really preoccupied with dubstep, along with a lot of other people in this thread. Were you this interested and vocal about the genre ten years ago, or is this a recent thing for you?

Funny, because I also noticed that you seem completely preoccupied with your sob-story of how hip-hop turned out all wrong.

I'm vocal about any genre that comes along that has something to offer. I don't think I need a f**king "certificate of being a respectable music style" presented to me in order to see the creative thinking that went into a drastically different style of musical work. Maybe that makes me a sucker. My bad.

Yeah?
You're thinking Women beats Sonic Youth? That Shinsight Trio beats NWA? Mono beats TalkTalk? Shakira beats Talking Heads? That last one was unfair.

I'm glad I missed '80s radio. But the '80s wrecked what we have now. In raw output and potential, and it's hard to make an argument otherwise. Maybe the '60s had a bigger explosion, but the '80s were so massive, maybe they didn't.

I'm not saying there wasn't good music in the 80's. I'm not saying there isn't bad music now. I'm just saying there is an absurd amount more good music available now. WAY more.

It's obvious you have some issues bro. "The 80's wrecked what we have now"? Seriously? Boo-hoo. Glad to see you've got this whole entirety of modern music thing figured out. How the hell do you expect someone to take you seriously after that? What do you expect? That people of the world are just going to bow down to your every musical whim going forward into the future? Why the hell not just appreciate what is good out there and realize that the people behind the music aren't Jesus Christ they are flawed people with dreams just like everyone else. So the f**k what.

Get over yourself.

[GeckoYamori]

I think it's true that popular radio music has gotten worse and more superficial and it's not just our rose-tinted glasses speaking. But that's because there's been fundamental changes to the music industry and how we consume our music. In the past we'd rely on the radio more often for validation, and while this situation has changed I think our mindset on this hasn't quite caught up yet. If you are more passionate about music than the average person today it's much easier to find the music you want via the internet. The void left on the radio airwaves has in turn been filled up by the lowest common denominator.

[dreamkeeper]

I'm just saying there is an absurd amount more crap music available now. WAY more.

+1

[osiris]

Are you serious? The 80's wrecked what we have now???? I grew up in the 80's and music was changed forever.
http://dj-funktual.hubpages.com/hub/The ... f-the-80s-
Please tell me which music wrecked todays music?
The Smiths -Girlfriend In A Coma?
Don Henley - The Boys Of Summer?
Depeche Mode?
The Cure?
The Police?
or was it New Order?
Maybe it was the Psychedelic Furs??
Eurythmics..
Fleetwood Mac?
The Pretenders...
Concrete Blonde
(still trying to figure this out)
Yello, Ministry, R.E.M...
(give me a clue)
I know it was Queen.

[dreamkeeper]

Umm... What?! The Police or Fleetwood Mac were 80's? Shall we now count every artist that was still active then as belonging to the 80's? Yeah, right.

[Vintage73]

If they had hits in the '80s, yes.

I grew up in the '80s, too, and I seriously miss them (the music, not the state of the world).

[deathwish]

I've yet to hear ONE new good band since the 80's. All the bands from the 90's and 2000's were terrible. This decade is even worse.

[osiris]

No, you're correct. I guess since The Police released almost every important single except Roxanne in the 1980's that would mean.....
They're an 80's band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Police_discography
And, you're probably right about Fleetwood Mac, considering only:
Second Hand News"
"The Chain"
"Don't Stop"
"Dreams"
"Rhiannon"
"Gypsy"
"Never Going Back Again"
"Landslide"
"Tusk"
"Sara"
"Hold Me"
"You Make Loving Fun" and "Go Your Own Way" were all released in 1982, nah...

[dreamkeeper]

If they had hits in the '80s, yes.

I grew up in the '80s, too, and I seriously miss them (the music, not the state of the world).

Well, I may have misunderstood the argument then. Still, many 80's hits of older artists were nails in the coffin of music imho.

[dreamkeeper]

No, you're correct. I guess since The Police released almost every important single except Roxanne in the 1980's that would mean.....
They're an 80's band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Police_discography
And, you're probably right about Fleetwood Mac, considering only:
Second Hand News"
"The Chain"
"Don't Stop"
"Dreams"
"Rhiannon"
"Gypsy"
"Never Going Back Again"
"Landslide"
"Tusk"
"Sara"
"Hold Me"
"You Make Loving Fun" and "Go Your Own Way" were all released in 1982, nah...

We have to agree to disagree what "important" means then.

[vespers75]

Are you serious? The 80's wrecked what we have now???? I grew up in the 80's and music was changed forever.

How did you grow up in the 80's if you were born in 1961?

[osiris]

Baby, I was still growing up in the 90's...
I was a club kid before there were club kids....

[osiris]

What put the final nail in music's coffin was rap. Which meant anyone without talent could just speak their stream of consciousness set to a beat and release it as a single.

[rifftrax]

What put the final nail in music's coffin was rap. Which meant anyone without talent could just speak their stream of consciousness set to a beat and release it as a single.

Dang. I mean I know there is a lot of modern music hate on this board but really?

I guess sucks for all you guys. I'm here enjoying the current era of music tremendously. I feel bad for the rest of you. Must be tough having to live in the past to get any joy out of music at all.