Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[Aiynzahev]

The problem props face is although the concept is very good, Reason's RS7000 or whatever it is is simply not going to compete with Relab's LX480 or Breeze for example. Its compressors are not very good either, in fact no one part of Reason is as good or better than freeware in my opinion. Most of it is far below the competition.

Now though, all that will change. I am excited about this because I've never had quite the fun with making music that I had when I used to use 2.5. I say it was fun, it was fun getting 60% there with the composition of the track and then a nightmare trying to make the It sound how I wanted it to sound.

It was so fast though and I knew everything inside out almost. I am keeping a close eye on this and I am excited about the idea of composing on Reason again. With soft-tube effects, Korg synths and who knows what else from Urs and Gforce. It's very good. All I wonder about though is how the pricing is going to be worked out.

[Anosou]

Mattias (Anosou), one question I had was with regards to paramater ranges. Will developers be able to use >127 steps for knobs and sliders?

Can't comment with 100% certainty but I think so. See for example Reason's mixer sliders.

[bmrzycki]

Mattias (Anosou), one question I had was with regards to paramater ranges. Will developers be able to use >127 steps for knobs and sliders?

Can't comment with 100% certainty but I think so. See for example Reason's mixer sliders.

I'm not in front of Reason right now but I was also pretty sure some of the Echo's knobs also had >127. I was curious because there are several plugins with much finer resolution (u-he zebra knobs for example).

Thanks for the quick reply! Don't stay up too late tonight.

[Anosou]

Mattias (Anosou), one question I had was with regards to paramater ranges. Will developers be able to use >127 steps for knobs and sliders?

Can't comment with 100% certainty but I think so. See for example Reason's mixer sliders.

I'm not in front of Reason right now but I was also pretty sure some of the Echo's knobs also had >127. I was curious because there are several plugins with much finer resolution (u-he zebra knobs for example).

Thanks for the quick reply! Don't stay up too late tonight.

Staying up late is part of my job (YAY) and pleasure.

Here's a chinese press representative who live blogged with pictures, some stuff you haven't seen including my favorite - the pie charts: http://live.midifan.com/live/musikmesse2012

[bmrzycki]

Here's a chinese press representative who live blogged with pictures, some stuff you haven't seen including my favorite - the pie charts: http://live.midifan.com/live/musikmesse2012

On several of the ReRack plugs I don't notice the On/Off/Bypass switch or preset browsing. I'm assuming those will be there in the final release?

[Anosou]

Here's a chinese press representative who live blogged with pictures, some stuff you haven't seen including my favorite - the pie charts: http://live.midifan.com/live/musikmesse2012

On several of the ReRack plugs I don't notice the On/Off/Bypass switch or preset browsing. I'm assuming those will be there in the final release?

None of these are final so they might change, yeah.

[VitaminD]

Can you comment on the issue of latency compensation and if/ how that is handled?

Not just yet I'm afraid, this was an early tech demo after all, but it's not something we've overlooked.

You still haven't answered my question..


Also.. another thing I've thought is this could be super useful if the API had great documentation. VST has pretty crappy docs imo. Little to no aid in figuring how it all is supposed to work internally when designing plugins. If your API is clean and has tons of resources it could become something big. At the very least, a good way to get into Pro Audio development.

Like I said, can't give details about latency compensation. It's still quite early, sorry!

Re: documentation I know that we have (or are working on) extensive documentation for developers working with Rack Extensions and I can only imagine this getting expanded.

My question wasn't on latency compensation but 'compensation' of another sort.



The documentation aspect is appealing to me. Esp if you have some basic tutorials on setting up basic sound generators/effects.

Compensation as in crossgrades? Too early to comment I'm afraid but what I can say is that developer's set the price. We hear the feedback though, appreciate that.

Whew.. quote soup up there

I mean this:

Bottom line:

If I can route CV/Gate in and out of Rack Extensions (instead of just audio) I will buy Reason right now. With VSTs it's not possible to for example modulate different plugins with each other. If Reason enables me to "cross-modulate" a UHE effect plugin with a KORG synth plugin I will go totally batshit insane.

It's of course up to developers to incorporate CV inputs/outputs but the option is there. All Rack Extensions will have audio outputs (and inputs if they're FX). Go nag your favorite developer to add more CV/audio jacks!

Do I get a free downloadable version for both guessing this is the reveal correctly and requesting this for years ?

[bmrzycki]

Thanks! One last question. Will ReRack support midi-only devices (something like CV merger splitter)?

[mgpqa1]

Not sure if this has been asked already, but does this mean that someone could theoretically make a VST-wrapper extension?

[Anosou]

Thanks! One last question. Will ReRack support midi-only devices (something like CV merger splitter)?

Can't see why not but also can't answer with 100% certainty. Sorry!

Not sure if this has been asked already, but does this mean that someone could theoretically make a VST-wrapper extension?

No, not really as far as I know. However porting a VST is easy code wise (Softube ported their DSP code in 15 minutes). The "big" thing would be potentially adapting the UI.

[braj]

So will these be available for the Reason Essentials version?

[Anosou]

So will these be available for the Reason Essentials version?

Yes! That means you have a street-price-$99 Rack Extensions host with ReWire available.

[justin3am]

Mattias (Anosou), one question I had was with regards to paramater ranges. Will developers be able to use >127 steps for knobs and sliders?

Can't comment with 100% certainty but I think so. See for example Reason's mixer sliders.

I'm not in front of Reason right now but I was also pretty sure some of the Echo's knobs also had >127. I was curious because there are several plugins with much finer resolution (u-he zebra knobs for example).

DDL-1 uses more than 128 steps for delay time when set to milliseconds, as does The Echo and Thor's Filter frequency controls.

[braj]

So will these be available for the Reason Essentials version?

Yes! That means you have a street-price-$99 Rack Extensions host with ReWire available.

Yep, that's what I was thinking may be a great option for my laptop.

[braj]

But one other question: if I buy Diva for Reason for example, does that let me use it as a rack extension in Reason AND as a VST in another DAW? What will licenses be like on cross-platform plugins. I wouldn't want to have to buy everything twice, that is not the case with VSTs.