Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[zvenx]

I'd be curious to know how long it took for Urs or Magnus to port their plugins.

Urs answered that, I think a few pages ago in this very thread.
rsp

[EnochLight]

existing code for an already built DSP can be used and compiled in 15 minutes with (presumably) the RE SDK.

We keep taking this out of context - actually if you watch that video Ernst says that the developer was "up and running" in 15 minutes, but it then "obviously took considerably more work" to finish the port, mostly on the UI elements.

Fair enough, but still - there is little reason a developer should not distribute through the Rack Extender store taking into consideration the amount of potential customers it may result in.

[headquest]

It would be interesting to know actually what that potential is likely to be, given that there is a hint prices may be very low, as with iApps.

[xh3rv]

No.
Actually, it would do the opposite.

Well, unless this is a theoretical problem to be solved without consideration for the concepts of limited time and resources.
Then yeah, sure.

I'll call your opposite and raise (Of course no money is involved at this point anyway ) One could definitely argue based on empirical evidence from, say, iOS, streamlining into some next-generation infrastructure and advancing the state of the art has second-order effects that are broadly beneficial to the whole field.

It doesn't take unlimited time or resources to do multiple plug-in formats. Depends a lot on the standards, but this looks like it should be very plausibly low overhead. The DSP code is not going to change unless the hardware does. GUI stuff seems to me like a sub-problem that can be attacked efficiently during the same production cycle as other versions. We'll see what developers have to say about the Reason-environment integration aspects, but I don't see anything that would suggest it raises difficult problems.

When well done, a good object model at a fairly global level is actually extremely advantageous to development. Rapid prototyping, consistent behaviors, flexible services all help developers focus on things that are more unique and worthwhile to users.

In terms of resources that enable better development, VST does some things just fine here, MIDI does some things just fine here, but there's plenty of other things that are just not going to happen any time soon or at all without some capitalized exploration. Because it's centralized and controlled environment, Reason's RE is a chance to explore some of these possibilities. In the meantime it's not like VSTs or MIDI are going to disappear.

[EnochLight]

It would be interesting to know actually what that potential is likely to be, given that there is a hint prices may be very low, as with iApps.

I'm going to take an educated guess and say that the potential customer base is pretty freak'n huge, taking into consideration Reason has been around 11+ years and is hugely popular.

[musikmachine]

For me the clincher will be what synths are available. But think of sound design with something like Imposcar or Diva will all the patch points on the back and soft-tube reverbs and eq all in the combinator and and and its just going to be crazy. CPU killer for sure though.

Yep. Speaking of GForce does anyone know which plugins are being ported?

[musikmachine]

I'd be curious to know how long it took for Urs or Magnus to port their plugins.

Urs answered that, I think a few pages ago in this very thread.
rsp

Thanks, will look for it later.

[SonicDimension]

For me the clincher will be what synths are available. But think of sound design with something like Imposcar or Diva will all the patch points on the back and soft-tube reverbs and eq all in the combinator and and and its just going to be crazy. CPU killer for sure though.

Yep. Speaking of GForce does anyone know which plugins are being ported?

Based on the RE Store mock-up slide in the presentation, it looks like M-Tron Pro. I think they may be working on another one as well.

[braj]

So I am warming up to the idea a bit, mostly because Urs is happy with it. I do like the 'app store' idea and am wondering what will come from the DAW side to compete, it would be great if some app store for VST could be implemented, with one copy-protection system, for instance if you get a new machine just load up your 'app store' and automatically have links to download all your VSTs, all already authorized. Of course sample libraries would be an issue, and not all devs would be onboard, but the very fact that Props is doing this means that someone likely will counter to compete with them. I would much rather it weren't a store for each DAW but something universal, something stand-alone that doesn't even run in a DAW, just a VST store app with the necessary code. Anyhow it is a step in the right direction, I can't see myself using Reason's sequencer and rack system, but then I'm not the sort to make crazy modular patchwork Frankenstein setups anyhow, so it isn't really geared at me. I just don't want to see Diva 2 become a Reason exclusive, stuff like that. I don't want to see VST development impacted, but then it is pretty impossible to predict how this will all play out. But it seems a gauntlet of some sort has been thrown down, and it will be a good show to watch how it all unfolds.

[bmrzycki]

I'll be interested to see Spectrasonics' take on this (or other producers of huge libraries). I don't think PHeads will want to push 60+GB of data to everyone...

[CS80]

I'll be interested to see Spectrasonics' take on this (or other producers of huge libraries). I don't think PHeads will want to push 60+GB of data to everyone...

LOL sort of interesting to consider Omnisphere or Trillian running inside Reason

[xh3rv]

I'll be interested to see Spectrasonics' take on this (or other producers of huge libraries). I don't think PHeads will want to push 60+GB of data to everyone...

Hmm, maybe they'd like to push it 1GB at a time

[braj]

I really wouldn't mind a VST patch browser listing all your bass sounds, lead sounds, etc in one UI. I don't know if Reason does this really, my remembrance with their system is it was a bunch of nested forlders and wasn't very tidy, but still everything is in one standard (if disorganized) system.

I'd be interested to hear what Props has in store for the rest of their app, which I feel is in serious need of modernization. I would love if I could at least get rid of the bright white from the app, it is hard on my eyes and that all by itself makes me not want to use it.

[braj]

I'll be interested to see Spectrasonics' take on this (or other producers of huge libraries). I don't think PHeads will want to push 60+GB of data to everyone...

Hmm, maybe they'd like to push it 1GB at a time

They could always sell the license and a demo library in the store, and have the DVDs shipped once the purchase is made. But who does the shipping, how 'integrated' will that be, how reliable will that service be for the end users, especially spread across the globe?

[liquidsound]

It is also possible that the Reason built in synth and effects are going to be used less and less due to the flood ( optimistic view) of high quality VST coming in via Re and could be a possibility that Reason would end up (or planned ) in the opposite direction. The difference from another DAW then would be a mediocre sequencer but with a Cable/Modularity advantage.
A DIVA, Zebra, FXpansion, Korg, GForce etc. vs Subtractor, NN-XT? Thor maybe.
Double edge sword for the PH.