Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[bmrzycki]

It is also possible that the Reason built in synth and effects are going to be used less and less due to the flood

Or possibly the users that are enticed by the idea will get Reason Essentials and spend all their extra money picking and choosing the ported VSTs. Props will no doubt be OK with this. It's new users for the platform and they get 30% of the store sales.

People often complain about the sound of Reason synths being "thin" or "boring" when compared to VSTs. The problem is most of these users often compare reason synth sounds with no FX to synth presets in the VST world that are often drenched in FX to sell the product. Comparing combinator sounds with FX applied to synths is a much better approximation. And the new devices in Reason 6 really help the sounds compete. Thor is quite good when paired with the Echo and Pulverizer.

The difference from another DAW then would be a mediocre sequencer but with a Cable/Modularity advantage.

Or maybe upgrades of Reason 7.0 and onwards can then really focus on making the ReRack SDK better and the core sequencer/UI even better? They're a relatively small team and allocating some members to making devices means fewer others for fixes/enhancements to the core DAW.

I really see this announcement as win-win for any Reason user, new or old.

[liquidsound]

People often complain about the sound of Reason synths being "thin" or "boring" when compared to VSTs. The problem is most of these users often compare reason synth sounds with no FX to synth presets in the VST world that are often drenched in FX to sell the product. Comparing combinator sounds with FX applied to synths is a much better approximation. And the new devices in Reason 6 really help the sounds compete. Thor is quite good when paired with the Echo and Pulverizer.

I was listening for example the great Refills from Michael Kastrup using the Combinator and then again his work with Zebra. WOW! There you can see with just one synth, Zebra, how much and vast territory he was able to cover, never mind the sound quality.

Or maybe upgrades of Reason 7.0 and onwards can then really focus on making the ReRack SDK better and the core sequencer/UI even better? They're a relatively small team and allocating some members to making devices means fewer others for fixes/enhancements to the core DAW.

I really see this announcement as win-win for any Reason user, new or old.

That would be better indeed. Many times I just can work with that sequencer and I go Rewire which I don't really like... It feels like one foot here and there. Just a feeling of my work being split in two.

I still think that there is a big chance for the Reason components to become just a legacy for backward compatibility. Too many more than great VST out there.

[SonicDimension]

It is also possible that the Reason built in synth and effects are going to be used less and less due to the flood ( optimistic view) of high quality VST coming in via Re and could be a possibility that Reason would end up (or planned ) in the opposite direction. The difference from another DAW then would be a mediocre sequencer but with a Cable/Modularity advantage.
A DIVA, Zebra, FXpansion, Korg, GForce etc. vs Subtractor, NN-XT? Thor maybe.
Double edge sword for the PH.

I don't know about that. I have tried out quite a few vst instruments and effects and I did not find many of them to be obviously superior to Propellerhead's rack devices in the areas that are important to me. They were more complex and feature-filled, maybe, but not necessarily much better for making music.

For me, the rack extensions that would be most valuable would be ones that fill in the gaps rather than ones that replace the Propellerhead devices. But where there is overlap, I think the point should be to add diversity and new options. I am getting very tired of this faulty idea that music technology always progresses in a line, like computer technology does. I can see how it would be useful for software and hardware developers to make us believe that, but it puts unnecessary restraints on the development of artists' creativity.

[liquidsound]

For me, the rack extensions that would be most valuable would be ones that fill in the gaps rather than ones that replace the Propellerhead devices.

This is a most valuable point from a "Reason Only" user standpoint I think.

[Albert.VST]

So pro's and cons. I myself sometimes like to just load a VSTi in SaviHost or V-Stack (anyone else uses that one still?) and play, therefor I wouldn't want to give up the VSTi format.

The difference from another DAW then would be a mediocre sequencer but with a Cable/Modularity advantage.

Wouldn't a VST4 (or 3.5) be possible to develop that includes inter-VST connections? A kind of connection matrix. To get this same functionality in other hosts?

[liquidsound]

So pro's and cons. I myself sometimes like to just load a VSTi in SaviHost or V-Stack (anyone else uses that one still?) and play, therefor I wouldn't want to give up the VSTi format.

The difference from another DAW then would be a mediocre sequencer but with a Cable/Modularity advantage.

Wouldn't a VST4 (or 3.5) be possible to develop that includes inter-VST connections? A kind of connection matrix. To get this same functionality in other hosts?

MuLab has something similar to the Combinator and with it you can use your VST and even ReWire Reason in it! But the extra connections, like reason devices, is not there yet even though MuLab internal Synths and effect that you can build with it can have that functionality.

[SonicDimension]

For me, the rack extensions that would be most valuable would be ones that fill in the gaps rather than ones that replace the Propellerhead devices.

This is a most valuable point from a "Reason Only" user standpoint I think.

Well, yeah. Propellerhead wants to make Reason a complete host. Rack extensions are obviously part of that. I am happy that Propellerhead has been moving in this direction during the last several years because I absolutely love Reason and would like to be able to do everything from composition to mixing inside it. I also own SONAR and have used FL Studio and Ableton Live in the past, but I just find Reason more appealing for a number of reasons. It has its deficiencies, sure, but the benefits outweigh them for me and I trust that Propellerhead will sort out the weak areas in future versions.

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I wonder if Propellerheads would veto a plugin like Energy XT (the plugin version) Now, that would give me a reason (no pun intended) to be excited if they approved something like that with it's capabilities of loading REAL GENUINE VST plugins. This I would like to see.

[SonicDimension]

I wonder if Propellerheads would veto a plugin like Energy XT (the plugin version) Now, that would give me a reason (no pun intended) to be excited if they approved something like that with it's capabilities of loading REAL GENUINE VST plugins. This I would like to see.

Rack extensions have to fit GUI restrictions defined by Propellerhead. I don't think energy XT or FL Studio plug-ins would fit in the rack.

[liquidsound]

I wonder if Propellerheads would veto a plugin like Energy XT (the plugin version) Now, that would give me a reason (no pun intended) to be excited if they approved something like that with it's capabilities of loading REAL GENUINE VST plugins. This I would like to see.

Maybe MuLab will turn that way with their MUX. Just a wish for that powerhouse of a Device!

[46]

I wonder if Propellerheads would veto a plugin like Energy XT (the plugin version) Now, that would give me a reason (no pun intended) to be excited if they approved something like that with it's capabilities of loading REAL GENUINE VST plugins. This I would like to see.

Rack extensions have to fit GUI restrictions defined by Propellerhead. I don't think energy XT or FL Studio plug-ins would fit in the rack.

Didn't think of that. Thanks for ruining my dreams

[bmrzycki]

Here's something to think about that hasn't been mentioned (as far as I know) anywhere: reselling plugins. They said in the press interview that you own the plugins "forever" as a way to reassure people you could have it when you need it. But what if you want (or need for financial scenarios) to sell? Will they be tied to your Reason account and you have to sell it all as one gigantic bundle?

This may make things quite different.

[SonicDimension]

Here's something to think about that hasn't been mentioned (as far as I know) anywhere: reselling plugins.

Here's an idea: they could implement a trading system like Steam's where users can trade extensions for other extensions or money in their 'virtual wallets.' Users could also gift each other extensions. If Propellerhead are going to develop this new marketplace concept for plug-ins, they might as well make it fully featured and borrow ideas from other services that have been enormously successful.

[bmrzycki]

Here's something to think about that hasn't been mentioned (as far as I know) anywhere: reselling plugins.

Here's an idea: they could implement a trading system like Steam's where users can trade extensions for other extensions or money in their 'virtual wallets.' Users could also gift each other extensions. If Propellerhead are going to develop this new marketplace concept for plug-ins, they might as well make it fully featured and borrow ideas from other services that have been enormously successful.

That would be awesome. We know Mattias is reading this forum, maybe he'll take it back to internal meetings.

[VitaminD]

Here's something to think about that hasn't been mentioned (as far as I know) anywhere: reselling plugins.

Here's an idea: they could implement a trading system like Steam's where users can trade extensions for other extensions or money in their 'virtual wallets.' Users could also gift each other extensions. If Propellerhead are going to develop this new marketplace concept for plug-ins, they might as well make it fully featured and borrow ideas from other services that have been enormously successful.

That would be awesome. We know Mattias is reading this forum, maybe he'll take it back to internal meetings.

Of course he will.