Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[liquidsound]

if 13 (or even 30) $ is true i wonder what the developers will tell their users who bought the respective vsts for a 100 bucks or more?!

Like u-he said it's because they are limited to a single platform but with Rewire they are actually usable in any Rewire supporting DAW.

[fceramic]

True, but the RE is still exclusive to Reason, so it's a more limited format, which the developer stated was the reason for a lower price.

Also, most musicians use audio effects for audio recording, not synths, and Reason can not record or sample audio while in Rewire mode, + Re will not have the same selection of plugin instruments such as other open plugin formats, mostly due to the UI restrictions of the rack (forget about Kontakt or other 50+ gb sample libraries).

[VitaminD]

For me the Reason UI really needs to scale / resize at higher resolutions.

+1

Actually a redesign of all Reason's UI elements would be a good move. They could keep the same colours and layout etc, just replace everything with more a modern look.

That is the next step, I suspect. An updated GUI is 5 years late at least.. Which is probably why they finally took our advice with containerized plugin support.

Now they have time to work on the GUI and perhaps the sequencer. Hoping for Multiple sizes similar to the U-HE VSTs.


Version 6.5 will be blah... Version 7 or 7.5 might be wonderful! I look forward to seeing the changes.

[headquest]

Well the fact that they are perfecting the Re specification (in which a key element is the strict UI rules so that devices fit into the Reason 6.5 rack) seems to provide a rather strong hint that they are not planning to change the rack size or format any time soon

[VitaminD]

Well the fact that they are perfecting the Re specification (in which a key element is the strict UI rules so that devices fit into the Reason 6.5 rack) seems to provide a rather strong hint that they are not planning to change the rack size or format any time soon

Yes. However, My guess is at least for a half step revision they are not.. but that might last only 8-10 months. Then with v7 we could see a new version of RE with support for larger GUIs. It isn't as if they are going to release RE version 1 and be done with it.

Reason as a product is crippled in it's current form due to the micro GUI. The only conclusion to which I can arrive is at the UI being tied very deeply, internally in the code... I suspect this is the only reason why they haven't updated it in 12+ years Reason has been a product; It would be A LOT of work.

Now, with other people creating the sound generators and effects, they will have the time to address this issue.


At least, this is my outsider view. I've been spot on so far with Props... and I feel it would be CRAZY to NOT address the GUI now. Back in year 2000, most people didn't have widescreen, flatpanel display monitors. Having a fixed, 1024x768 tuned interface was acceptable. Today, We live in a completely different 'world' with respect to computer technology. We have larger resolutions on our cellphones these days.

[eXode]

ReWire doesn't support audio both ways afaik (only instruments etc out of Reason). That means you couldn't use Reason's effects on external stuff.

[headquest]

I believe you would need to bounce down the audio and then import the track into Reason in order to use Reason and "Re" effects devices.

[liquidsound]

True, but the RE is still exclusive to Reason, so it's a more limited format, which the developer stated was the reason for a lower price.

Also, most musicians use audio effects for audio recording, not synths, and Reason can not record or sample audio while in Rewire mode, + Re will not have the same selection of plugin instruments such as other open plugin formats, mostly due to the UI restrictions of the rack (forget about Kontakt or other 50+ gb sample libraries).

True. but I could use a $30 Albino in my DAW via Rewire... How can a developer fix this?

[v1o]

Well the fact that they are perfecting the Re specification (in which a key element is the strict UI rules so that devices fit into the Reason 6.5 rack) seems to provide a rather strong hint that they are not planning to change the rack size or format any time soon

Yes. However, My guess is at least for a half step revision they are not.. but that might last only 8-10 months. Then with v7 we could see a new version of RE with support for larger GUIs. It isn't as if they are going to release RE version 1 and be done with it.

Reason as a product is crippled in it's current form due to the micro GUI. The only conclusion to which I can arrive is at the UI being tied very deeply, internally in the code... I suspect this is the only reason why they haven't updated it in 12+ years Reason has been a product; It would be A LOT of work.

Now, with other people creating the sound generators and effects, they will have the time to address this issue.


At least, this is my outsider view. I've been spot on so far with Props... and I feel it would be CRAZY to NOT address the GUI now. Back in year 2000, most people didn't have widescreen, flatpanel display monitors. Having a fixed, 1024x768 tuned interface was acceptable. Today, We live in a completely different 'world' with respect to computer technology. We have larger resolutions on our cellphones these days.

The GUI was redone for Record 1.0 and updated for Reason 6. From what I understand the Reason GUI is built from Vector graphics and not bitmaps. Which means the graphics should be scalable to a different size or resolution without losing fidelity.

With that said I have not had any usability problems with the scale of Reason Rack. I work on 24" monitor. Every seems clear and easy to read. Sure the instruments don't take up 3/4 screen like some VSTis, but they make excellent use of space.

[Crackbaby]

I don't mind paying 13-30 for a RE version of a VST i already own. Most likely i would buy one plugin for 30 or three for 33. I wouldnt buy two for 30 that i own already.

As for the sequencer.. It should be possible for a dev to create one as a RE plugin.

[xh3rv]

if 13 (or even 30) $ is true i wonder what the developers will tell their users who bought the respective vsts for a 100 bucks or more?!

Pretty sure that's just a Uhbik-slice estimate. I don't see any incentive for a reputable developer to go above or below what people would perceive as fair bounds relative to VST versions, or not to fairly price for users of both RE & VST-like formats.

[VitaminD]

The GUI was redone for Record 1.0 and updated for Reason 6. From what I understand the Reason GUI is built from Vector graphics and not bitmaps. Which means the graphics should be scalable to a different size or resolution without losing fidelity.

What do you mean 're-done?' It appears to be currently the same size as it was in Reason v1???

If you mean they converted from raster to vector, then great. There would now be no reason NOT to have the ability to step increase the size in the preferences. Whats stopping them?

[Urs]

if 13 (or even 30) $ is true i wonder what the developers will tell their users who bought the respective vsts for a 100 bucks or more?!

Pretty sure that's just a Uhbik-slice estimate. I don't see any incentive for a reputable developer to go above or below what people would perceive as fair bounds relative to VST versions, or not to fairly price for users of both RE & VST-like formats.

Sorry, no chance to follow here, but I'm pretty sure there's a misunderstanding:

Uhbik RE will be unbundled, and each of the single Uhbiks will be in some sort of 10-13 bucks price range. This makes roughly 50$ less than the full product in VST/AU world, for a single host.

Thing is, we won't have as much support (hopefully), we don't have to deal with licenses, we don't have to maintain crossplatform whatsoever, we don't have to care about too many things at all. Propellerhead will take a whole lot of stuff from our backs. That makes unbundling them a viable option, and so we will.

[Urs]

But that means that I can Rewire them and have them in my favorite DAW for $13?
Something is off.

Huh? Why? Uhbik RE 10-13 bucks a pop in one host, Uhbik VST/AU 15-16 bucks a pop in many hosts.

Only, Uhbik VST/AU comes as a bundle because we couldn't possibly deal with a gazillion license schemes - or I wouldn't have time to do any other things.

I think it's very fair. If we ever unbundled Uhbik on VST/AU we'd go 30-50 bucks each, and offer an all-of-them-if-you-have-5-or-so crossgrade, which then pretty much reaches the same price as we have today.

Urs

[liquidsound]

But that means that I can Rewire them and have them in my favorite DAW for $13?
Something is off.

Huh? Why? Uhbik RE 10-13 bucks a pop in one host, Uhbik VST/AU 15-16 bucks a pop in many hosts.

Only, Uhbik VST/AU comes as a bundle because we couldn't possibly deal with a gazillion license schemes - or I wouldn't have time to do any other things.

I think it's very fair. If we ever unbundled Uhbik on VST/AU we'd go 30-50 bucks each, and offer an all-of-them-if-you-have-5-or-so crossgrade, which then pretty much reaches the same price as we have today.

Urs

No, I was projecting on Synths that, with speculations, could cost so much less than the VST format. But true, we don't really know what it will be in terms of prices.