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standalone · Post by **standalone** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:51 pm

yerusalan wrote:I know there only a few real pros in the world when it comes to commercial vocal tuning and as far as I know the most respected ones use Autotune and there was no substitute or at least that's what two of them told me a few years back. Melodyne sounded like shit, I tried it myself, well recorded vocal sounded like crap right after import. I've heard they improved the engine but I'm somewhat skeptical. You'd be amazed what Autotune can do if handled with care and knowledge. Those cats are highly valued in the business and charge starting from 500 Euro - nice job to pursue. AT used to correctly work only in PT back in the days (I think it was version 3 and those guys were picky about which version to use) but now I hear it works fine in Cubase too and follows, stops, rewinds in sync nicely.

Here are some real pros too

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=artists&L=2

yerusalan · Post by **yerusalan** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:09 pm

Here are some real pros too

May be. Yet their software was crap last time i checked it and it was pushed to to potential clients in the same manner. I tell you this - I was pro enough to hear the sound go south on import lol and it was out of discussion with vocal tuning specialists. Flexibility was certainly there and also far easier to use than AT. This actually has been discussed in depth, I mean the principles behind their sound engine vs AT. I think it was on gearslutz, dig it up cos as far as I remember it was good read. Dammit you got me curious and I will download their demo if there is one and check on it again. If it still sound crappy I'll post some samples. If not I'll be the first to admit it's great. As for now now all I can say I'm not gonna read marketing hype - been there before.

xamido · Post by **xamido** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:14 pm

yerusalan wrote:I know there only a few real pros in the world when it comes to commercial vocal tuning and as far as I know the most respected ones use Autotune and there was no substitute or at least that's what two of them told me a few years back. Melodyne sounded like shit, I tried it myself, well recorded vocal sounded like crap right after import. I've heard they improved the engine but I'm somewhat skeptical. You'd be amazed what Autotune can do if handled with care and knowledge. Those cats are highly valued in the business and charge starting from 500 Euro - nice job to pursue. AT used to correctly work only in PT back in the days (I think it was version 3 and those guys were picky about which version to use) but now I hear it works fine in Cubase too and follows, stops, rewinds in sync nicely.

Name those two pros that you know and tell you that.

yerusalan · Post by **yerusalan** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:40 pm

Ok. I downloaded Melodyne demo. I admit it's a lot better than what it used to be. It still does change the sound of unedited parts to worse but is now much more subtle. I guess since theres a 30 days trial on offer everyone can download and check.

Hey bxamido I'll do much more than just giving you the names. Let's do it this way - you do some correction in melodyne and I do it in AT, minor editing just to check for sound integrity. How about that?

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:26 pm

I like Autotune and Waves Tune the best (for both sound and workflow). Melodyne is fun when you want to try out different melodies / harmonies and such, but for just straight tuning and cleaning up vocals, I don't find the workflow as good (this is in PT via AudioSuite). Waves Tune sounds surprisingly great actually, but AT7 with the time adjustment features is pretty hard to beat.

xamido · Post by **xamido** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:17 pm

yerusalan wrote:Ok. I downloaded Melodyne demo. I admit it's a lot better than what it used to be. It still does change the sound of unedited parts to worse but is now much more subtle. I guess since theres a 30 days trial on offer everyone can download and check.

Hey bxamido I'll do much more than just giving you the names. Let's do it this way - you do some correction in melodyne and I do it in AT, minor editing just to check for sound integrity. How about that?

No, i'm not bashing you. I'm just seriously curious of who they are. If you can name them it will help me to believes on antares more. I'm also considering between these 3 choices.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:47 pm

5Lives wrote:I like Autotune and Waves Tune the best (for both sound and workflow). Melodyne is fun when you want to try out different melodies / harmonies and such, but for just straight tuning and cleaning up vocals, I don't find the workflow as good (this is in PT via AudioSuite). Waves Tune sounds surprisingly great actually, but AT7 with the time adjustment features is pretty hard to beat.

I think Melodyne's workflow is hard to beat, especially in Studio One V2:

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:23 pm

True - but until all the DAWs have that, the workflow is more cumbersome in my opinion - especially compared to AudioSuite.

blueman · Post by **blueman** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:38 pm

I prefer Waves Tune and am actually quite baffled that it's not taken more seriously as a competitor to the others

I have Melodyne with Studio One v2 Pro and I used to use AutoTune 4. Waves Tune sounds superior to me; if you're going for a natural vocal. For other applications, I cannot say.

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ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:46 am

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cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:34 pm

I've been using Melodyne for years, but I just upgraded to the Waves Gold bundle and I'm really impressed with Tune LT so far, so much so that I'm probably going to upgrade to the full version. Based on my use with Tune so far, it really does seem to sound more natural, and especially seems to handle note transitions better than Melodyne, particularly the way it handles relatively large intervals where the vocalist initially over-/under-shoots the intended note. Melodyne can get pretty wonky in that situation IME.

don1thedon · Post by **don1thedon** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:32 pm

FYI I recently checked my "Special Offers" over at Waves online and picked up Tune for just $90 ... absolute bargain (I also have AT & Melodyne in Studio 1 V2), I think it may have been Gold that gave me the offer (though I do have a few other singles).

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:46 pm

I know I should know this... but what's the main differences between Tune and Tune LT?

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:56 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:I know I should know this... but what's the main differences between Tune and Tune LT?

Most of the tweak options are grayed in LT.

But it's still useful as I understand it. I just got a bundle two days ago so I have not tried it yet.

Really glad over what I read about Tune here though.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:31 pm

lfm wrote:
noiseboyuk wrote:I know I should know this... but what's the main differences between Tune and Tune LT?
Most of the tweak options are grayed in LT.

But it's still useful as I understand it. I just got a bundle two days ago so I have not tried it yet.

Really glad over what I read about Tune here though.

I've had Gold a few months, but never got round to checking out Tune LT. I can't make it work in Sonar 8.5.3. I worked out I need to insert rewire device / waves rewire, so its there and claims to be working - but its not following the transport control, so nothing is happening.

Yeah, I now see most stuff is greyed out. The vibrato in particular I'd miss.

Waves Tune vs AutoTune vs Melodyne?