KVR Audio

Synthbuilder · Post by **Synthbuilder** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:30 pm

Dogboy73 wrote:Do you think there is a market for a version of Reason that is just the rack?

I would really like to think so.

But the problem is that rewire is handled so differently in the various hosts. Some do it well, others less so. And that's bound to put people off. I hear so many times that rewire is a pain.

In Live it's workable but not great - with the external instrument plug you can sort of treat any Reason instrument as a VST. However, in Live any Reason instrument is still not as easy to automate as a VST. Although that could be sorted if Live allowed midi CCs in arrange window which may happen.

The absence of midi out in Record and then in Reason 6 is mind boggling though. But then it doesn't have mixer groups or individual sequencer track delays.

Now I wonder if the Props would let anyone write a VST wrapper for the RE.

Tony

festeringheap · Post by **festeringheap** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:34 pm

gpunk wrote:
eXode wrote:I see. So they keep old versions, maintain the various developers code base so that it's always up to date for the various hosts
OK you just ruled about 95% of developers out from ever doing anything for RE if they are supposed to hand source over to Props
(Not going to happen, so not sure where you got that info)

You may even see some developers not bothering because their source code is so lame and they hoodwinked a lot of buyers with a fancy GUI.
This will separate the crap from the good going forward.

I'm with eXode on this: I think I'd prefer new innovative ideas from independent developers rather than a mass port of existing stuff. (although I have demo'ed the VST uhbik bundle and find it quite good, so am looking forward to that in RE)

No one other than Reason owners have The Echo, Alligator and Pulverizer.

Over time, some great REs are going to be developed and showcased - available only in Reason, making RE/Reason way more attractive to potential buyers.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:01 pm

festeringheap wrote:
gpunk wrote:
eXode wrote:I see. So they keep old versions, maintain the various developers code base so that it's always up to date for the various hosts
OK you just ruled about 95% of developers out from ever doing anything for RE if they are supposed to hand source over to Props
(Not going to happen, so not sure where you got that info)
You may even see some developers not bothering because their source code is so lame and they hoodwinked a lot of buyers with a fancy GUI.
This will separate the crap from the good going forward.

I'm with eXode on this: I think I'd prefer new innovative ideas from independent developers rather than a mass port of existing stuff. (although I have demo'ed the VST uhbik bundle and find it quite good, so am looking forward to that in RE)

No one other than Reason owners have The Echo, Alligator and Pulverizer.

Over time, some great REs are going to be developed and showcased - available only in Reason, making RE/Reason way more attractive to potential buyers.

You can be sure that crappy code with fancy gui will also find it's own place to Reason crowd. As long as it will sell. You can right now stop thinking that someone out there care for you or whatever. It's a business after all. If it is selling that it is good. That's the situation ATM.

And the reason why noone apart from Reason users have The Echo, Alligator or Pulverizer is because all these effects you listed are already available for decades and done to death in VST form and everyone actually have them. Actually they are so overuse that noone seems to care about them and you can even find some of them for free with exceptional quality. Search KVR database..

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:22 pm

Some Reason users are really living in another world...

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:23 pm

kmonkey wrote:You can be sure that crappy code with fancy gui will also find it's own place to Reason crowd. As long as it will sell. You can right now stop thinking that someone out there care for you or whatever. It's a business after all. If it is selling that it is good. That's the situation ATM. .

It's good that all Rack Extensions will come with a lengthy free trial period so users can sort the garbage out from the keepers in a real world use senerio... It's this way with most current VST's though, no?

kmonkey wrote:And the reason why noone apart from Reason users have The Echo, Alligator or Pulverizer is because all these effects you listed are already available for decades and done to death in VST form and everyone actually have them. Actually they are so overuse that noone seems to care about them and you can even find some of them for free with exceptional quality. Search KVR database..

A personal opinion that many users, musicians, and producers alike would likely debate with you.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:24 pm

standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...

The same can be said about users of all software, yourself included.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:25 pm

EnochLight wrote:
standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...
The same can be said about users of all software, yourself included.

Why?

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:30 pm

standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...

+1

But to be fair, if they are happy and don't know any better...

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:38 pm

standalone wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...
The same can be said about users of all software, yourself included.
Why?

For the same reasons you feel Reason users do. Let me include myself in this category as well - we're all biased when it comes to our opinions on the tools we choose to use.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:41 pm

braj wrote:
standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...
+1

But to be fair, if they are happy and don't know any better...

I see. So non-users of Reason are all the enlightened ones who know better? This kind of attitude is disingenuous, IMHO. It's no less biased and closed minded than the users you feel you have one up on (sorry: "know better")...

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:43 pm

EnochLight wrote:
standalone wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...
The same can be said about users of all software, yourself included.
Why?
For the same reasons you feel Reason users do. Let me include myself in this category as well - we're all biased when it comes to our opinions on the tools we choose to use.

I was just agreeing with kmonkey in that some of them are not aware of the evolution of audio software outside Reason. Many Daw users don't know Reason well either, of course.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:45 pm

EnochLight wrote:
braj wrote:
standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...
+1

But to be fair, if they are happy and don't know any better...
I see. So non-users of Reason are all the enlightened ones who know better? This kind of attitude is disingenuous, IMHO. It's no less biased and closed minded than the users you feel you have one up on (sorry: "know better")...

That's not what I said at all. If you live in a walled garden, and are happy with the tools that are available there, what's the problem? If it is a happy beautiful place for you, even though there is much beyond those walls, who am I to tell you that you should not be happy? That's what I meant 'to be fair'.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:49 pm

Those three effects are pretty unique in the way they work with features and all. IMHO of course

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Edit: oops

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:51 pm

braj wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
braj wrote:
standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...
+1

But to be fair, if they are happy and don't know any better...
I see. So non-users of Reason are all the enlightened ones who know better? This kind of attitude is disingenuous, IMHO. It's no less biased and closed minded than the users you feel you have one up on (sorry: "know better")...
That's not what I said at all. If you live in a walled garden, and are happy with the tools that are available there, what's the problem? If it is a happy beautiful place for you, even though there is much beyond those walls, who am I to tell you that you should not be happy? That's what I meant 'to be fair'.

Oh ok. It's just that the term "don't know any better" can be interpreted In a negative sense. I think I understand what you're trying to convey now though.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:57 pm

EnochLight wrote:
braj wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
braj wrote:
standalone wrote:Some Reason users are really living in another world...
+1

But to be fair, if they are happy and don't know any better...
I see. So non-users of Reason are all the enlightened ones who know better? This kind of attitude is disingenuous, IMHO. It's no less biased and closed minded than the users you feel you have one up on (sorry: "know better")...
That's not what I said at all. If you live in a walled garden, and are happy with the tools that are available there, what's the problem? If it is a happy beautiful place for you, even though there is much beyond those walls, who am I to tell you that you should not be happy? That's what I meant 'to be fair'.
Oh ok. It's just that the term "don't know any better" can be interpreted In a negative sense. I think I understand what you're trying to convey now though.

If someone is negative they will interpret everything negatively, it is evidence of our own close-mindedness and defensive posture over our chosen positions. Most of us don't know any better

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