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Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:41 pm

lfm wrote:I think this video is showing how boring Kemper is - one knob and one button is all that is touched.

That's my fault, I didn't know it well enough yet to do live tweaking on video. I'll make another video soon with tweaking.

What is the rest for?

What I feel is missing is getting the full amp tweaking in there.

The knobs are easy enough - standard amp (gain-EQ-volume) and effects (noise gate-mod-delay-reverb) - and then there are a lot of soft controls for deeper tweaking and profiling.

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:30 pm

Uncle E wrote:
lfm wrote:I think this video is showing how boring Kemper is - one knob and one button is all that is touched.
That's my fault, I didn't know it well enough yet to do live tweaking on video. I'll make another video soon with tweaking.

What is the rest for?

What I feel is missing is getting the full amp tweaking in there.
The knobs are easy enough - standard amp (gain-EQ-volume) and effects (noise gate-mod-delay-reverb) - and then there are a lot of soft controls for deeper tweaking and profiling.

I see - I thought you were über-expert

Nothing wrong with the sounds though, plenty good sounding stuff there.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:38 pm

Ola Englund got a couple of Kemper videos up on his blog.
http://www.olaenglund.com/?s=kemper

Here's one of him tweaking a capture made earlier. Plenty of customization possible.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:51 pm

Call me crazy, but I spent hours listening to AxeFX demos and my response was always "meh. For this price the thing should be amazing." I know this is a bit more expensive, but it really seems to capture the sound of a tube amp. I doubt I'd be able to scare up that much money for such a thing, but color me impressed.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:58 pm

besides needing to try one myself before I made any final decisions I have to admit that I would likely wait a year or two before even thinking about one. My dad always had an expression about things that offered a lot..."just more things to break" so my first concern given the cost and complexity is will it last?

There are a lot of tube amps in the same price range that are sweet to say the least and many of the potential problems I could handle on my own now but if I had to take it in for repair it would be less likely that repairing a tube amp one would have to wait for "specialized" parts. I imagine there would only be a few choices of places to get this amp repaired and there seems to be a lot that could wear out or break.

How rugged is it? Are the buttons solid feeling or do they have that loose feel like some things? What about the pots? How do they feel? Do people expect this amp to last several decades or is this more like a POD that will be obsolete as time goes on being replaced by newer models?

I dont exactly get the feeling that one day the first version that is out now will be "classic", with tube amps they really do not get obsolete as we see in all the re-issues out there. I know I can get the tones I want from many different tube amps, I'm sure this amp will give me any tone I want but the big concern is which is the wiser investment.

There are plenty of examples to take from where something new and cool like this soars, impresses everyone, gets copied by many companies and either wear out or become obsolete to quickly (like ipads). I imagine there will be many firmware updates but as an old school rock and roll guitar player I would have to know it's going to be as rock solid as say my boogie sob which is likely around 30 years old

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:17 pm

zerocrossing wrote:Call me crazy, but I spent hours listening to AxeFX demos and my response was always "meh. For this price the thing should be amazing." I know this is a bit more expensive, but it really seems to capture the sound of a tube amp. I doubt I'd be able to scare up that much money for such a thing, but color me impressed.

Yeah, it seems pretty great sounding to me. I just bought a new guitar so it's out of my current range.

Not sure how it would integrate into a DAW rig though.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:43 pm

Hink wrote:besides needing to try one myself before I made any final decisions I have to admit that I would likely wait a year or two before even thinking about one. My dad always had an expression about things that offered a lot..."just more things to break" so my first concern given the cost and complexity is will it last?

There are a lot of tube amps in the same price range that are sweet to say the least and many of the potential problems I could handle on my own now but if I had to take it in for repair it would be less likely that repairing a tube amp one would have to wait for "specialized" parts. I imagine there would only be a few choices of places to get this amp repaired and there seems to be a lot that could wear out or break.

How rugged is it? Are the buttons solid feeling or do they have that loose feel like some things? What about the pots? How do they feel? Do people expect this amp to last several decades or is this more like a POD that will be obsolete as time goes on being replaced by newer models?

I dont exactly get the feeling that one day the first version that is out now will be "classic", with tube amps they really do not get obsolete as we see in all the re-issues out there. I know I can get the tones I want from many different tube amps, I'm sure this amp will give me any tone I want but the big concern is which is the wiser investment.

There are plenty of examples to take from where something new and cool like this soars, impresses everyone, gets copied by many companies and either wear out or become obsolete to quickly (like ipads). I imagine there will be many firmware updates but as an old school rock and roll guitar player I would have to know it's going to be as rock solid as say my boogie sob which is likely around 30 years old

I don't think this product is designed for you. You're a guy who loves to have a lot of tube amps around and has the money and space for it. You can buy nice mics and you have a place that'll allow you to record. You like the "thingness" of a real amp. I get that. I have it too, but my restrictions make me force that into other things like guitars or synth modules.

I think this person is designed for the person who does't have the ability to record a tube amp at full volume. Maybe an apartment dweller who doesn't have the space. It's also for someone like me, who even if I had all of the above, would want it because I like to loop my guitar and doing that post amp is wrought with feedback issues. It also has potential to be a lot of things no amp you own can be. What would a fuzzbox in front of a 60s console radio sound like? I can do somethings like that using simulation and convolution software but this seems to take things to a different level.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:45 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
Hink wrote:besides needing to try one myself before I made any final decisions I have to admit that I would likely wait a year or two before even thinking about one. My dad always had an expression about things that offered a lot..."just more things to break" so my first concern given the cost and complexity is will it last?

There are a lot of tube amps in the same price range that are sweet to say the least and many of the potential problems I could handle on my own now but if I had to take it in for repair it would be less likely that repairing a tube amp one would have to wait for "specialized" parts. I imagine there would only be a few choices of places to get this amp repaired and there seems to be a lot that could wear out or break.

How rugged is it? Are the buttons solid feeling or do they have that loose feel like some things? What about the pots? How do they feel? Do people expect this amp to last several decades or is this more like a POD that will be obsolete as time goes on being replaced by newer models?

I dont exactly get the feeling that one day the first version that is out now will be "classic", with tube amps they really do not get obsolete as we see in all the re-issues out there. I know I can get the tones I want from many different tube amps, I'm sure this amp will give me any tone I want but the big concern is which is the wiser investment.

There are plenty of examples to take from where something new and cool like this soars, impresses everyone, gets copied by many companies and either wear out or become obsolete to quickly (like ipads). I imagine there will be many firmware updates but as an old school rock and roll guitar player I would have to know it's going to be as rock solid as say my boogie sob which is likely around 30 years old
I don't think this product is designed for you. You're a guy who loves to have a lot of tube amps around and has the money and space for it. You can buy nice mics and you have a place that'll allow you to record. You like the "thingness" of a real amp. I get that. I have it too, but my restrictions make me force that into other things like guitars or synth modules.

I think this person is designed for the person who does't have the ability to record a tube amp at full volume. Maybe an apartment dweller who doesn't have the space. It's also for someone like me, who even if I had all of the above, would want it because I like to loop my guitar and doing that post amp is wrought with feedback issues. It also has potential to be a lot of things no amp you own can be. What would a fuzzbox in front of a 60s console radio sound like? I can do somethings like that using simulation and convolution software but this seems to take things to a different level.

I agree 100% but that doesn't mean this isn't for me, it means it's not for me now which is okay because of my wanting to wait anyhow. Please keep in mind that before July 2010 I was in exactly the same position as you, I too lived right on a very, very busy road. The problem was compounded by the fact that almost directly across the street is a bridge that crosses the river and just across the river from us was the largest hospital in the area so sirens were a way of life. Then heading past our house was bad because there was a traffic light and then open road for quite a while after that but we lived close to the city line so all of that was in another town. Bikers constantly would race their engines, people would drag race, Tractor trailers were common all accelerating right in front of our house (my window was about 15 feet from the street)..and then of course there were all the cars during rush hour lined up at the light with loud stereos

Miking a cab was out of the question but then things changed and I moved here, I'm still in an apartment, I still have neighbors I do not want to disturb and of course I have other family members in my apartment to consider as well. But here's the rub, what if things change again? Could it not be possible for me to end up in a noisy environment again, or maybe get some really bad neighbors and I find myself selling amps to buy this?

I can say now that I have had it for a few months that the iso cab does quiet the amp enough used with my attenuator so even my wife and daughter do not hear it. Unfortunately in an extreme situation like I use to live in and you do I do not think it would keep the loud noises out. My 4x12 miked in the closet here has picked up sirens, I only mention that because once you asked about iso cabs.

I hope it only gets better from here and eventually I end up back in Maine to live out my life, then I'll be able to lose the attenuator. But things seem to always have a way not going as expected and you should know that I enjoy having options.

I do want clarify that I can't afford to just buy amps, I buy amps I can afford which serve me well...not expensive amps. In fact what I have spent on all my amps is still less than most of the "boutique" amps would be for one. I could not bring myself to buy a Dr Z, I talked myself out of it and bought a new i7

Real tube amps on a budget for the last few years has become the "in" thing and I am taking advantage of it while I can. Also I do not use expensive mics I use Gauge Mics..with the iso cab I can use 1 mic and that mic is sold by Gauge for 58 dollars (sorry, little plug for my cousin)

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:19 pm

hmmm, it just occurred to me...would not the profiling amp benefit the man with several amps to profile?

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:56 pm

Kemper Profiling Amp and Two Notes Audio Engineering Torpedo VM202 = Guitar Amplification 2.0 IMveryhumblehonestO. So yeah game changer i think personally. Waiting to get chance to try but I can pretty much say that I will like it alot with the right selection of amplifier's profiled/loaded up/ready to go for my own needs/preferences (I know exactly what I want profiled, Thats the easy part

)

I will not sell any of my current amps/combos/cabs in order to buy one though. I just could not do that as I love them far to much/Can not part with things I love so much.

Next up is a Laney IronHeart IRT120H or IRT60H and 4x12" or 2x12" IRT412/IRT212 Cab, Then a Two Notes Torpedo Live and after that hopefully a Kemper Profiling Amp

Cheers

Dean

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:08 am

I'll buy one if I can profile those sick marshall's uncle e posted, along with all the bad cats

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:16 am

what is your fascination with Badcats? They're a good example of my post above, just one of those costs more than what I own now and TBH the difference between my amps wont be what makes or breaks my music...but it could break the bank

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:52 am

Hink wrote:what is your fascination with Badcats? They're a good example of my post above, just one of those costs more than what I own now and TBH the difference between my amps wont be what makes or breaks my music...but it could break the bank

Because the legend that is Kurt Ballou uses a Lynx50 amongst others on almost every record he plays on (Converge mainly) or engineers/mixes at his own 'God City Studio':
Definately reason enough. Always gets a killer heavy sound but it always stands out i feel. Badcat's are really, really sick amps for anything my very humble honest opinion. Kurt's got top-draw taste from guitar setup to studio

the guy I do (but not in a brokeback mountain type way

)

Most intense band I have seen live and it translates just as well on record. One of my heroes

Don't know about hibidy but thats why I loves em

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:03 am

I'm not saying I wouldn't want one, I'm sure they're killer but they are very expensive and frankly as you know Dean that is not my style...the ones I have seen and been interested in were over 3K...I dont have champagne taste nor could I justify that price at this time in my life. I would rather have all the combinations I can create with the great amps I have now than have one sick one...I'm sure I going to make any amp sound sick or even dying anyhow

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:05 am

Hink, you should know better

I want ALL the toys

I heard some bad cat stuff a few years ago and was like "wow, I want that sound". From clean to chug (depending of course) they just have allot of wow factor. There are a gazillion others I'd want too, but sadly I just don't know the names.

Is the Kemper Profiling amp a game changer?