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[Ja.x]

I'm not a proper guitarrist, OK? Just like to make some noises with a guitar now and then and lately planning to add some guitar bits to my tracks. Have one like this for ages (valvestate 15):



Really like the sound. And recently bought this (Fender Mustang I):



Can produce nice delays, modulation, etc, but still had no time to try it properly; soon I'll have some repair works at home, so it's going back to the box for a while. It was an impulse buy - the price is a steal.

[Hink]

I find it impossible to get a feel if an amp is "good" or not when listening to a video. Surely it takes a couple of minutes of playing yourself to find out.
That said, i enjoy watching such videos

Andy at PGS could make the crappiest massproduced concrete guitar sound good while i could make a supercustom reissue alien braintransducer amp sound like crap

I'd love to have a Kemper...

with feel I agree that in this case it would be difficult to get the whole picture however when it comes to tube amps there are very subtle things that I really cannot put into words that I listen for. In just a few minutes of playing an amp I already know if it's for me, however I have bought amps that I watched many videos of before ever trying them I had my mind pretty well made up before I bought them. My jet city 50 and my egnater rebel were both this way, in fact I found a great video shoot-out between the rebel and a TT. Both were exactly what I was looking for.

The truth is I know what to expect from different tube amps and I know what can be done with different configurations, so much so that last year I rolled the dice on an amp I only saw on paper. It's a hand wired Frenzel pre-amp with a two watt power stage and if I didn't like it that's too bad because it was custom made. It wasn't a big risk (315 usd total) but it did indeed deliver exactly what I expected from it and even more. I can honestly say that I would be willing to roll the dice now for a Frenzel at twice the price and I have no doubt in my mind which one it would be...nor do I have any doubts in what to expect from it.

The Kemper I would have to try because I never played anything like it and I have no idea what to expect from it, I have plenty of history with tube amps but nada on this. You see to probably everyone else what I like about a tube amps isn't real and doesn't exist...but it does to me and my enjoyment is enhanced which hopefully has a trickledown effect. I lost track of that for a while...never again though

[Hink]

I'm not a proper guitarrist, OK? Just like to make some noises with a guitar now and then and lately planning to add some guitar bits to my tracks. Have one like this for ages (valvestate 15):



Really like the sound. And recently bought this (Fender Mustang I):



Can produce nice delays, modulation, etc, but still had no time to try it properly; soon I'll have some repair works at home, so it's going back to the box for a while. It was an impulse buy - the price is a steal.

I had a valvestate 15 many years ago...I liked it, but I didn't do much recording then and it was just a practice amp

[Crackbaby]

Hink: Was the shoot-out "Egnater Renegade - Jet City 100 - TITAN - Splawn Nitro" ? (title 4 Amp Shootout! - ((Stereo)))

Good mic setup, sounds so full and great


When you hear comparisons, it's much easier to spot character. But when there's one amp only ... well you know how much changing the mic position affects the amp.
I love watching videos where good guitarplayers showcase amps n stuff Though i wish he had dual camera so you could see him play (or her )

How loud is 2 watts? Silent enough for a apartment? I bought a Peveay Windsor Studio Plus (i think that was the name) and it's WAY too loud with its 13 watts
Going Line6 podfarm to a real tube amp was a huge upgrade in sound. Enough to think i never wanted modeled sound again. In the end, after a few months, i got myself a Zoom G3 as i missed not being able to use headphones. Also i needed stompboxes for effects so if i wanted i could just plug it in before the Peveay. It responds much more to dynamics and i don't need to mess so much with settings to get a good sound.
I cant wait for the third generation of amp modeling!

[Uncle E]

When you hear comparisons, it's much easier to spot character. But when there's one amp only ... well you know how much changing the mic position affects the amp.

In my video, the Kemper was recorded direct in to the Zoom Q3HD's external input.

How loud is 2 watts? Silent enough for a apartment? I bought a Peveay Windsor Studio Plus (i think that was the name) and it's WAY too loud with its 13 watts

The Blackheart BH5 is just under what I consider acceptable and the BH15 is just a tad too loud. The Blue Angel switches from 15W to 33W to 38W, and they're all too loud. I like that new Bad Cat amp that runs a Class-D amp after an attenuated tube power amp, that seems like the perfect solution.

In the end, after a few months, i got myself a Zoom G3 as i missed not being able to use headphones.

That's a popular one at JRR. I haven't tried it yet. I like the Tech 21 British and Liverpool Character pedals, particularly the V2's that can switch off the speaker emulation, as they're great both DI'd and in front of an amp. The British can nail that clean saturation lead tone that's so hard too find even in great amps.

I cant wait for the third generation of amp modeling!

Aren't we past it now? #1 was Pod, #2 was Pod XT, #3 was Eleven, #4 was AxeFX/Pod HD, and #5 is Kemper.

[Hink]

Hink: Was the shoot-out "Egnater Renegade - Jet City 100 - TITAN - Splawn Nitro" ? (title 4 Amp Shootout! - ((Stereo)))

Good mic setup, sounds so full and great


When you hear comparisons, it's much easier to spot character. But when there's one amp only ... well you know how much changing the mic position affects the amp.
I love watching videos where good guitarplayers showcase amps n stuff Though i wish he had dual camera so you could see him play (or her )

How loud is 2 watts? Silent enough for a apartment? I bought a Peveay Windsor Studio Plus (i think that was the name) and it's WAY too loud with its 13 watts
Going Line6 podfarm to a real tube amp was a huge upgrade in sound. Enough to think i never wanted modeled sound again. In the end, after a few months, i got myself a Zoom G3 as i missed not being able to use headphones. Also i needed stompboxes for effects so if i wanted i could just plug it in before the Peveay. It responds much more to dynamics and i don't need to mess so much with settings to get a good sound.
I cant wait for the third generation of amp modeling!

the egnater shoot out was rebel 20 vs orange tiny terror

2 watts is still loud enough for me to need more suppression, I'm an apartment dweller too. I use a Weber Mini Mass attenuator as well as a Jet City iso cab. I use the attenuator to bring the sound level down but I really use the iso cab to keep the neighbors out of my recordings, together they are a good team. The iso cab is not silent but it keeps the noise out and I can crank my amp with my family sleeping and they dont hear it but I can hear it when I am next to it (not loud enough to hear in another room)

With my boogie which is 50/100 watt and the 50 watt Jet City I have a pair of THD Yellow Jacket tube adapters (pentode) which also brings the power down on those amps, I use them in the egnator too. The attenuator is the best I have tried, it uses a speaker motor (explained on the page) so the feel is real and also it has a treble booster to compensate for some of the highs that often get lost with attenuators.

If you're like me I recommend all three, the Yellow Jackets have a different tone them giving you options (I dont recall the specs of your amp, if it has EL84s the Yellow Jackets will not work with it) I can crank up any amp at any time of the day without issues and I have some loud amps.

[Hink]

Aren't we past it now? #1 was Pod, #2 was Pod XT, #3 was Eleven, #4 was AxeFX/Pod HD, and #5 is Kemper.

#1 was not the POD, #1 was Roland COSM

[Crackbaby]

Hink, you know your stuff! The Jet City box looks very interesting. I wonder if i (which means my retired dad who loves to build things) could do one of those.

[tapper mike]

I haven't even heard my amps in the last few years do to being an apartment dewller.

The worst thing was moving my computer into the bedroom. Now I can't even use my cheap logtec desktop speakers as the neighors will call the police even at low volumes.

[Hink]

Hink, you know your stuff! The Jet City box looks very interesting. I wonder if i (which means my retired dad who loves to build things) could do one of those.

I have drawn up plans and was/am going to build one when the jet city finally came out (I still want to build one) but I cannot cut that much wood here. My best friend has a nice little woodworking shop in his garage though and now that it's spring I want to cut the wood there. Mine calls for 4 layers of 3/4" composite wood cut so the seems never line up (3" thick where the jet city is 1 1/2" plywood)...if you want me to photograph the jet city with a tape measure on the components I will...but give me a day or two

[hibidy]

I haven't even heard my amps in the last few years do to being an apartment dewller.

The worst thing was moving my computer into the bedroom. Now I can't even use my cheap logtec desktop speakers as the neighors will call the police even at low volumes.

I don't live in an apartment, but I'm really sensitive about my neighbors hearing me. I do cans. Currently, the krk 8400's seem to be my favs. I don't like it too loud and these sound really nice and cut out the chatter from the strings acoustically.

[Hink]

I haven't even heard my amps in the last few years do to being an apartment dewller.

The worst thing was moving my computer into the bedroom. Now I can't even use my cheap logtec desktop speakers as the neighors will call the police even at low volumes.

I don't live in an apartment, but I'm really sensitive about my neighbors hearing me. I do cans. Currently, the krk 8400's seem to be my favs. I don't like it too loud and these sound really nice and cut out the chatter from the strings acoustically.

just so you know my friend, they would never hear the iso cab...it's not even as loud as my tv turned way down

[Crackbaby]

Hink, i might take you up on that offer closer to the summer Im one of those with a thousand ideas of which all but a few are only played out in my mind..
Do you think it's better if you mix different layers of materials? Like .. Plywood, Concrete, some kind of insulation, Air, Plywood?

Also, would there be any sense in making a 2x12 or even a 4x12 (if space was no issue)?

Another thing i thought of a while ago: If you have two speakers mounted in opposite directions so that they would cancel each other out, would that reduce the sound going out? As you would mic up one speaker you would still hear it, but the further away you get, the more the cancellation would be apparent.

Going down a few sizes in speakers, how would that work do you think? A 6.5" can deliver low bass if the design is right so maybe that could work here? (for no other reason than reducing the size of the box and because it's fun to try new things )

Lots of questions!

[Peevy2000]

I'm sorta stuck between:

Jet City JCA22H



And The Orange TH30H




I like the sound of both amps but I'm sorta leaning towards the Orange TH30 & matching 112 cab which would cost around £850, but the Jet City & cab would be over £200 cheaper.

Anyone tried these Amps, what would you go for?? Unfortunately, I can test these Amps out myself

[Hink]

I'm sorta stuck between:

Jet City JCA22H



And The Orange TH30H




I like the sound of both amps but I'm sorta leaning towards the Orange TH30 & matching 112 cab which would cost around £850, but the Jet City & cab would be over £200 cheaper.

Anyone tried these Amps, what would you go for?? Unfortunately, I can test these Amps out myself

I have a Jet City 50 watt and a Jet City iso cab, I really like both. But the Orange is great too, what are you looking for tone wise? That's what matters the most.

I see the Orange claims to be Class A and has a tube fx loop but the tone stacks are fairly limited, I hate to say this but often when an amp company claims an amp is class A unless it's single ended it's really AB. I'm not saying this is the case here because class A does not have to be single ended and there is an ongoing debate about this even with Vox amps.

On the Jet city it has a similar tone stack to my 50 watt but the 50 watt has 6L6 power tubes while the smaller version has EL84s (as does the Orange it just has 4 instead of two). One thing I like about my Jet City is how the presence works with the treble control, it's unlike other amps I have or have had with a presence control and I really like it. I've been told by people more familiar with Soldano amps than I that this something they like about Soldano. The Jet City also has an fx loop but like the one on mine it's not tube buffered.

Both are two channel amps but on paper (which is not the best approach to these things) it seems to me that the Orange might be a little more limited in it's tonal range in it's tone stack. However with the power options (which I am guessing is really pentode/triode operation) it might have more unique tonal options where the Jet City will be your basic treble, bass, mid and presence (but with it's own twist on that). If the Orange is indeed class A it will have less crossover distortion which is very nice, more tone with less mud. I like this sound because you get all the hi-gain tones but there is more clarity and definition to the tone with class A.

Seeing how you know how they sound I suspect you have done this but youtube can be very helpful comparing amps and remember if you buy from most music stores if you decide you dont like it you can return it (though personally I hate returning things). I would write down a pro and con list and go from there, I hope my observations help you some