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braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:06 pm

michi_mak wrote: you have to compare REAPERs commercial price to Samplitude

No I don't, I'm not eligible for a Samplitude license at a discounted price, until that is the case there is no necessity of doing so. I'm not promoting Reaper to others, just explaining my motivation for choosing it based on the price available to me. I am in no way trying to 'sell' Reaper to anyone.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:16 pm

braj wrote:
michi_mak wrote: you have to compare REAPERs commercial price to Samplitude
No I don't, I'm not eligible for a Samplitude license at a discounted price, until that is the case there is no necessity of doing so. I'm not promoting Reaper to others, just explaining my motivation for choosing it based on the price available to me. I am in no way trying to 'sell' Reaper to anyone.

So a hosts CPU efficiency is proportional to the sliding scale of braj's personal finances. Got it.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:20 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
braj wrote:
michi_mak wrote: you have to compare REAPERs commercial price to Samplitude
No I don't, I'm not eligible for a Samplitude license at a discounted price, until that is the case there is no necessity of doing so. I'm not promoting Reaper to others, just explaining my motivation for choosing it based on the price available to me. I am in no way trying to 'sell' Reaper to anyone.
So a hosts CPU efficiency is proportional to the sliding scale of braj's personal finances. Got it.

That's pretty lame, I was replying to Hink telling me that Samplitude was cheaper now, and I was simply telling him it is still too expensive for me. I didn't in any way say it was less efficient because it cost more, or Reaper is more efficient because I can afford it. Come on, don't try to put put words in my mouth.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:22 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:My host is more fully-functional and efficient than your host.

Wrong Wrong Wrong and Wrong. Mine is the host with the most ....

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:22 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:The most CPU efficient host is the host that is well understood by the user, configured properly on a system on which it runs well, that supports the particular work habits of the person using it. Anything else is inefficient.

That is faulty logic. You can have 'Host A' that is configured properly, you know inside and out, runs as well as it can on whatever system it is on, and still run half the plugins as another host. That doesn't make it CPU efficient, unless you mean the CPU in your cranium, and in that case I'd agree.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:33 pm

I think Reaper is the host people love to hate, as soon as you mention Reaper in whatever context 'fanboy' starts getting thrown around, it is really lame guys. I'm not knocking any host and asked an honest question with no intention of degrading anyone else's choices or opinions, I would hope that we could all have a modicum of respect and maturity but it doesn't seem that is possible on KVR, for whatever reason.

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braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:47 pm

michi_mak wrote:well, you refuse to accept that there are other devs NOT giving away a discounted license and YOU insist on not comparing the "real" retail price of REAPER to other hosts ...

I'm not comparing the REAL retail prices of different hosts, nor refusing to accept anything, but only mentioned the REAL price to me of Reaper vs. what I'd pay specifically for Samplitude, specifically in response to another individual, ie. not YOU. Geez, you and straw men... and regarding Reaper, ok maybe people are not beating up on Reaper but you yourself called me a fanboy. Come one man, be fair.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:10 pm

braj wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:The most CPU efficient host is the host that is well understood by the user, configured properly on a system on which it runs well, that supports the particular work habits of the person using it. Anything else is inefficient.
That is faulty logic. You can have 'Host A' that is configured properly, you know inside and out, runs as well as it can on whatever system it is on, and still run half the plugins as another host. That doesn't make it CPU efficient, unless you mean the CPU in your cranium, and in that case I'd agree.

It is not faulty logic. If I get done with a project faster with Host A, I have utilized my CPU more efficiently than if I used Host B, even if Host B uses less CPU plug for plug. There is micro efficiency (plug x uses .02% CPU with all knobs at unity), and macro efficiency (materials -> process -> product). micro efficiency rarely has an impact on macro efficiency. Industrial algorithms for manufacturing figured that out ages ago.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:12 pm

...and not one mention of Pro Tools??!?!

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:13 pm

trimph1 wrote:...and not one mention of Pro Tools??!?!

Yeah, I should have, but couldn't edit the list after posting it. Samplitude, ProTools, and whatever else I missed should be there, definitely my bad, but not on purpose.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:17 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
braj wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:The most CPU efficient host is the host that is well understood by the user, configured properly on a system on which it runs well, that supports the particular work habits of the person using it. Anything else is inefficient.
That is faulty logic. You can have 'Host A' that is configured properly, you know inside and out, runs as well as it can on whatever system it is on, and still run half the plugins as another host. That doesn't make it CPU efficient, unless you mean the CPU in your cranium, and in that case I'd agree.
It is not faulty logic. If I get done with a project faster with Host A, I have utilized my CPU more efficiently than if I used Host B, even if Host B uses less CPU plug for plug. There is micro efficiency (plug x uses .02% CPU with all knobs at unity), and macro efficiency (materials -> process -> product). micro efficiency rarely has an impact on macro efficiency. Industrial algorithms for manufacturing figured that out ages ago.

Ok, understood.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:43 pm

Thread question = Which host is most CPU efficient?

KVR answers to these kinds of threads are all completely subjective. You even had an answer in your head before you posted the thread. Hell, someone even chose Live! Yeah that is CPU efficient. And then again, maybe if the guy just slaps loops onto lanes and click trigger pads all day, it could be the most efficient host ever.

But then the thread devolved into discussions of price, which has absolutely no bearing on CPU efficiency. NONE. Unless you wanted to perform analysis of $ per CPU cycles achieved across a hosts user base. Good luck with that.

Efficiency using a host even at the micro level would depend significantly on the plugs used, hardware configuration and how the production is accomplished. A person doing voice over for a commercial may find a bunch of the hosts completely unusable no matter how much CPU overhead it is saving them. A person who works solely with samples, may find a different host to be more efficient. And even then it is possible it could be dependent on the sampler and even sample library used. I know Halion is more efficient with GIGA libraries than Kontakt. Kontakt is more efficient with Kontakt libraries .....

In other words it was a stupid question to begin with.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:48 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
In other words it was a stupid question to begin with.

Not really, if you consider there was something to learn, no question is really that stupid if it helps you understand, you helped with that (except for being a mean-spirited arse), so thanks. And I didn't have an answer in my head to start with, I was sincerely wondering what other people's experiences and opinions were. You assume too much thinking I had some agenda, please be charitable enough to acknowledge that.

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Most CPU efficient host?

What is the most efficient host CPU wise?