Microtonic or Tremor?
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- KVRist
- 195 posts since 21 Jul, 2004 from Brazil
+1 Microtonic is my favourite.
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- KVRAF
- 3922 posts since 15 Dec, 2009
Nice choice Jon, the exact same I also made after going through a longer selection process. (although I later caved and got Microtonic as well to get that 'dirty' synth sound the brilliant GUI)
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- KVRist
- 235 posts since 22 Apr, 2011
@UncleAge, thanks for the reply. Though Im already aware of that. Also, minispillage 2 (coming soon) has a sequencer so Im certain Drumspillage will eventually get this feature.
While the sequencer is undoubtedly important, Im more interested in knowing how the synthesis engines compare. I demoed Tremor and microtonic a while back, and really liked Tremor then, microtonic was ok. Cant demo drumspillage or basically use my production room right now, cause of some work going on at home unfortunately.
While the sequencer is undoubtedly important, Im more interested in knowing how the synthesis engines compare. I demoed Tremor and microtonic a while back, and really liked Tremor then, microtonic was ok. Cant demo drumspillage or basically use my production room right now, cause of some work going on at home unfortunately.
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- KVRAF
- 1596 posts since 19 May, 2011 from North Carolina
Late to the party....
Doc Jon - gratz on your purchase of Punch. It's been on my list of "maybes" for some time.
Some observations:
Microtonic - can be had for $59 with the purchase of Synplant ($99) - or visa versa. Basically, both can be had for $160.
(I figured no big deal - Snyplant always seemed like a plaything to me. Then I downloaded the demo. Wow - refreshing change of pace. I assumed a lot of the random twiddling would be useless, but it's real easy to get something usable and unique. It sounds great. There are a bunch of tracks made with just microTonic and Synplant - been thinking of making that purchase and just using those two instruments for a time, to see what happens.)
Getting OT, but point is the SonicCharge guys are giving a lot of bang for the buck.
Tremor - and it does seem quite capable (the effects/mods alone make it interesting). Just don't know about the CPU hit. After Diva, I'm starting to notice the effect of having one instrument take 25 or more % of CPU. Not a problem when you're demoing, but a few of those in a track and your freezing (sick of freezing!)
I own DrumSpillage - great sounds, but more synthetic/FM. Very clean, and with compression and some tape emulation, etc. it's easy to make it big and warm. But takes some time to get a coherent kit, and no sequencer (until MiniSpillage).
Done rambling!
Doc Jon - gratz on your purchase of Punch. It's been on my list of "maybes" for some time.
Some observations:
Microtonic - can be had for $59 with the purchase of Synplant ($99) - or visa versa. Basically, both can be had for $160.
(I figured no big deal - Snyplant always seemed like a plaything to me. Then I downloaded the demo. Wow - refreshing change of pace. I assumed a lot of the random twiddling would be useless, but it's real easy to get something usable and unique. It sounds great. There are a bunch of tracks made with just microTonic and Synplant - been thinking of making that purchase and just using those two instruments for a time, to see what happens.)
Getting OT, but point is the SonicCharge guys are giving a lot of bang for the buck.
Tremor - and it does seem quite capable (the effects/mods alone make it interesting). Just don't know about the CPU hit. After Diva, I'm starting to notice the effect of having one instrument take 25 or more % of CPU. Not a problem when you're demoing, but a few of those in a track and your freezing (sick of freezing!)
I own DrumSpillage - great sounds, but more synthetic/FM. Very clean, and with compression and some tape emulation, etc. it's easy to make it big and warm. But takes some time to get a coherent kit, and no sequencer (until MiniSpillage).
Done rambling!
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- KVRAF
- 1925 posts since 23 Sep, 2005
µTonic is a great sounding electronic beat creation Plug-in !
But... It is still a 32-bit plug-in
(for both Mac and PC).
I hope Magnus is working on offering a 64-bit VST/AU upgrade version of µTonic in the very near future for Mac and PC
But... It is still a 32-bit plug-in
(for both Mac and PC). I hope Magnus is working on offering a 64-bit VST/AU upgrade version of µTonic in the very near future for Mac and PC
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
As usual, no one ever seems to mention my favorite, Extreme Drumsynth from Sonic Sidekick. This is by far the most powerful drumsynth on the market, even capable of synthesizing drums that sound like ACOUSTIC drums! It has all the power of Tremor and then some. And for only $35 USD, how can you go wrong?
http://www.sonicsidekick.com/drumsynth/index.php
Lest you think I'm biased, I also bought Tremor. I'm not thrilled with the sound, but I love the sequencer. I also have Geist, and I'm come up with a lot of interesting patterns just by running Tremor and Geist at the same time, combining synthesized and sampled drums.
I also have Drummax, which is a totally different approach and makes some very interesting sounds.
And I have the D16 Group instruments, for a great emulation of those classic 808, 909, and 606 sounds.
Yes, I'm a drumsynth whore. Did I mention my Machinedrum yet? My ER-1? DR-110? KPR-77? Okay, I'll stop now
Honestly, the one instrument I've never taken a liking to is Microtonic. Why everyone constantly raves about such a rudimentary synth engine is beyond me. Gosh, a frequency-swept sine wave kick drum. Whoohoo!
http://www.sonicsidekick.com/drumsynth/index.php
Lest you think I'm biased, I also bought Tremor. I'm not thrilled with the sound, but I love the sequencer. I also have Geist, and I'm come up with a lot of interesting patterns just by running Tremor and Geist at the same time, combining synthesized and sampled drums.
I also have Drummax, which is a totally different approach and makes some very interesting sounds.
And I have the D16 Group instruments, for a great emulation of those classic 808, 909, and 606 sounds.
Yes, I'm a drumsynth whore. Did I mention my Machinedrum yet? My ER-1? DR-110? KPR-77? Okay, I'll stop now
Honestly, the one instrument I've never taken a liking to is Microtonic. Why everyone constantly raves about such a rudimentary synth engine is beyond me. Gosh, a frequency-swept sine wave kick drum. Whoohoo!
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRian
- 910 posts since 21 Aug, 2011
Perhaps because it is extremely musical, sits well in a mix, and sounds fantastic?deastman wrote:Honestly, the one instrument I've never taken a liking to is Microtonic. Why everyone constantly raves about such a rudimentary synth engine is beyond me. Gosh, a frequency-swept sine wave kick drum. Whoohoo!
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- KVRAF
- 1596 posts since 19 May, 2011 from North Carolina
Nothing wrong with Extreme Drumsynth for that price! But I don't mention it 'cause I'm mostly on the Mac.deastman wrote:As usual, no one ever seems to mention my favorite, Extreme Drumsynth from Sonic Sidekick....
...Honestly, the one instrument I've never taken a liking to is Microtonic. Why everyone constantly raves about such a rudimentary synth engine is beyond me. Gosh, a frequency-swept sine wave kick drum. Whoohoo!
Microtonic Kicks are nothing to scream about (the Synapse guys have a great kickmaker to layer / replace), but (and I'm just taking a guess here) - the appeal of something like MicroTonic might be precisely because it uses the same synth engine for all sounds. On the downside, it gives the instrument a more limited "sound", but it also helps create coherent kits - one of the biggest drawbacks to mixing/matching samples.
There area couple of Reaktor drum synths that are similar. They are not be-all-end-all, but it's very easy to create a kit that sounds good.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I'm really not sure how to respond to that. You're basically implying that other drumsynths don't do these things, which I don't agree with at all. Seriously, what drumsynth is not extremely musical?Phase47 wrote:Perhaps because it is extremely musical, sits well in a mix, and sounds fantastic?deastman wrote:Honestly, the one instrument I've never taken a liking to is Microtonic. Why everyone constantly raves about such a rudimentary synth engine is beyond me. Gosh, a frequency-swept sine wave kick drum. Whoohoo!
Anyway, my point was that Microtonic has a very basic synthesis engine, capable of only the most limited range of sounds. Sure, if you're content to always use the same frequency-swept sine wave kick drum, more power to you. Nothing wrong with that. But why does everyone rave about how great the synth sounds? Its just a sine wave kick... but what else can it do?
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRAF
- 1966 posts since 22 Mar, 2002 from Timisoara, Romania
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286 - KVRAF
- 16751 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
As with all A versus B-discussion people who are happy with Microtonic and maybe haven't even demoed Tremor will defend their goto-drumsynth neglecting / not being aware of the fact that Tremor does have a much more capable synth engine. That is not an opinion based on taste but on facts, but everything always remains arguable...
But people who have thoroughly tested both and decided for one of the two for whatever reason do have an objective advantage in this discussion.
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... ns-tremor/
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... mor-beatz/
But people who have thoroughly tested both and decided for one of the two for whatever reason do have an objective advantage in this discussion.
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... ns-tremor/
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... mor-beatz/
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- KVRAF
- 4845 posts since 2 Sep, 2005 from city of lights (nl)
Simon is right, Tremor is something else.
Just did a little review of it at http://rekkerd.org/review-fxpansion-tre ... nthesizer/
I love MicroTonic, a lot. And I will keep using it for sure, but Tremor has more to offer for my music by its range of sounds and creative sequencers.
With additional fx and automation most things could also be done in MicroTonic, but it's just easier and more fun in Tremor imho.
Just did a little review of it at http://rekkerd.org/review-fxpansion-tre ... nthesizer/
I love MicroTonic, a lot. And I will keep using it for sure, but Tremor has more to offer for my music by its range of sounds and creative sequencers.
With additional fx and automation most things could also be done in MicroTonic, but it's just easier and more fun in Tremor imho.
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- KVRian
- 1111 posts since 1 Jul, 2008
I like drumsynths and I own quite a few. They have their different features and applications - they shouldn't be considered mutually exclusive.
Microtonic is popular because it's simple and sounds good. Not so flexible as Attack - which is an excellent utilitarian VST. I think of all the drumsynths, the best I own is DKSPro - I'm not sure if it's even for sale now, but soundwise it knocks the above into a cocked-hat. I would use it in conjunction with Attack, etc.
I second Extreme Drumsynth - it is good, but a little esoteric and I can see how people would be turned off in frustration. However, the new beta version looks very promising, These are indeed the most 'natural' synthesized drums I've ever heard. It also comes with a great sequencer with usable randomization options.
Although I love using drumsynths, I found that I'm using my other synthesizers (especially FM) to make my drum hits and then drag them into Nerve. Very fast and flexible workflow, and I get to benefit from Nerve's featureset and 'feel' - great sequencer too.
Microtonic is popular because it's simple and sounds good. Not so flexible as Attack - which is an excellent utilitarian VST. I think of all the drumsynths, the best I own is DKSPro - I'm not sure if it's even for sale now, but soundwise it knocks the above into a cocked-hat. I would use it in conjunction with Attack, etc.
I second Extreme Drumsynth - it is good, but a little esoteric and I can see how people would be turned off in frustration. However, the new beta version looks very promising, These are indeed the most 'natural' synthesized drums I've ever heard. It also comes with a great sequencer with usable randomization options.
Although I love using drumsynths, I found that I'm using my other synthesizers (especially FM) to make my drum hits and then drag them into Nerve. Very fast and flexible workflow, and I get to benefit from Nerve's featureset and 'feel' - great sequencer too.
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- KVRAF
- 3540 posts since 1 Oct, 2006 from Um! Where is this?
It is going to be updated to 64bit after they finish the new plug-in they are working on.There's going to be a new version of Synplant too.Muziksculp wrote:µTonic is a great sounding electronic beat creation Plug-in !
But... It is still a 32-bit plug-in
I hope Magnus is working on offering a 64-bit VST/AU upgrade version of µTonic in the very near future for Mac and PC
