Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

[Urs]

How does one get the filter to self-oscillate? I was curious about that "new" method... but can't seem to get pure filter self oscillation without oscillator input.

I don't have the demo installed anymore since it was way to annoying but maybe you can choose a pulsewave and set the pulse width to 0% or 100% to turn off the oscs sound?

No luck. Will give it another go tomorrow

[hakey]

there's a patch in the tutorial bank called Filter SelfOsc, which appears to have no oscillator input... osc1 volume is a target in the matrix.

[Urs]

there's a patch in the tutorial bank called Filter SelfOsc, which appears to have no oscillator input... osc1 volume is a target in the matrix.

Got it - cool! Works

Was it mentioned anywhere which filter was modeled, if any?

[hakey]

This is about as specific as it gets:

Our filters need low CPU, support self-osc, asymetric non-linearity (a k2 characteristic which is similar to the MS-20 filter) and have a very high precision.

[Ingonator]

Sorry but the sound can come from it all. You should know what "a PPG sound" is.

Sure i know what a PPG sound is, i even played with a real one at this years Musikmesse...

Anyway i called the demo that way (i used a different name for the preset...) as first the preset i made sounds like a typical PPG sound and second i used the LFO to modulate the PW which results in a wavetable sweep like result. Try to use the "Sinoid" waveform (the 4th one) and use the "PW" knob (and the "Tone" knob too) and you'll see what i talk about. Of course you'll need the correct envelope settings for the Bell like sound.


Ingo

[Bronto Scorpio]

Edit: Hakey was faster

Cheers
Dennis

[Ingonator]

there's a patch in the tutorial bank called Filter SelfOsc, which appears to have no oscillator input... osc1 volume is a target in the matrix.

Got it - cool! Works

Was it mentioned anywhere which filter was modeled, if any?

Hi Urs,

the 24dB LPF seems to use a Moog model, at least this is shown in the display at the GUI when you click on that filter mode.

Here they used a 12dB Curtis LP filter for comparison so i guess the 12dN filter is based on that one:
http://tone2.com/html/true_analog_model ... hnolo.html

You get a very different Resonance behavior if you switch on the "Soft" button besides the Resonance knob.


Ingo

[PietW.]

Sorry but the sound can come from it all. You should know what "a PPG sound" is.

Sure i know what a PPG sound is, i even played with a real one at this years Musikmesse...

Anyway i called the demo that way (i used a different name for the preset...) as first the preset i made sounds like a typical PPG sound and second i used the LFO to modulate the PW which results in a wavetable sweep like result. Try to use the "Sinoid" waveform (the 4th one) and use the "PW" knob (and the "Tone" knob too) and you'll see what i talk about. Of course you'll need the correct envelope settings for the Bell like sound.


Ingo

With these Tool and Komplexer you can create real PPG- or Wavetablesounds not with a PW-Knob.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=334828[/url]

[LeVzi]

Sorry but the sound can come from it all. You should know what "a PPG sound" is.

Sure i know what a PPG sound is, i even played with a real one at this years Musikmesse...

Anyway i called the demo that way (i used a different name for the preset...) as first the preset i made sounds like a typical PPG sound and second i used the LFO to modulate the PW which results in a wavetable sweep like result. Try to use the "Sinoid" waveform (the 4th one) and use the "PW" knob (and the "Tone" knob too) and you'll see what i talk about. Of course you'll need the correct envelope settings for the Bell like sound.


Ingo

With these Tool and Komplexer you can create real PPG- or Wavetablesounds not with a PW-Knob.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=334828[/url]

I think i'll stick with Saurus thanks wtf....

[bailees7irish]

Sorry but the sound can come from it all. You should know what "a PPG sound" is.

Sure i know what a PPG sound is, i even played with a real one at this years Musikmesse...

Anyway i called the demo that way (i used a different name for the preset...) as first the preset i made sounds like a typical PPG sound and second i used the LFO to modulate the PW which results in a wavetable sweep like result. Try to use the "Sinoid" waveform (the 4th one) and use the "PW" knob (and the "Tone" knob too) and you'll see what i talk about. Of course you'll need the correct envelope settings for the Bell like sound.


Ingo

With these Tool and Komplexer you can create real PPG- or Wavetablesounds not with a PW-Knob.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=334828[/url]

I think i'll stick with Saurus thanks wtf....

agreed!

[brok landers]

Urs, in the modmatrix, turn down both osc levels via constant source

[Echoes in the Attic]

Is it me or does the filter feedback seem to introduce extremely digital sounding noise?

[Sendy]

I'm a fan and owner of several tone2 products, but you've gotta love their analog modelling blurb page... In particular, I thought the picture of the "typical VA competitor's sawtooth" was pretty funny I've never seen a VA create such a sorry looking waveform, EVER, let alone nowadays. Look at that thing! Looks like an unfinished experiment in additive synthesis...

Same with the filter comparisons, really. For a start, the Saurus filter example is a very high resonance example, wheras the 'competitor' looks like it's on a midway resonance setting. It also looks like the competitor filter was set to highpass, but I could be wrong about that.

Finally, they seemed to place a lot of importance on the particular shape of the sawtooth oscillator, asif that style of sawtooth with the curve that dips down is somehow "more analog" than any other shape. The truth is analog sawtooths come in many varied implimentations and most just look like a regular sawtooth, with perhaps a bit of curvature instead of a straight slope.

[pdxindy]

Is it me or does the filter feedback seem to introduce extremely digital sounding noise?

It is not you... I played with feedback quite a bit and it is hard to get something I liked with it... a few times I got some lovely tones but they were marred by various beatings/artifacts... sometimes it sounds like a noise control... sometimes it is having little result as you turn it up then it goes right to harsh digital noise

The demo is really only for auditioning presets as there is not enough time to craft sounds... so it is hard to say if I might find some sweet spots with the feedback (not promising so far)... and I'm about to give up trying. The demo limit has defeated me. It always times-out before I've gone somewhere I like.

[zerocrossing]

Many thanks about all the comments made about my demos.

I only have Saurus a few days but i already feel that it could be one of my favorite synths.

As the last demo was already my 4th about Saurus and i'm sure there will be more in the future i created a Soundcloud set now:
http://soundcloud.com/ingoweidner/sets/saurus-demos/

BTW like i already mentioned in my post above the oscillator section of Saurus is very flexible, especially as you you morph the waveform of ANY available waveform by using the PW knob (details in the manual). This is far from an average VA synth IMO.
Like you could hear in my PPG like demo Saurus could also do some nice digital style sounds. With the waveform morphs you could do some wavetable sweep like sounds.


Ingo

Thanks for these, they totally confirm what I experienced with the demo. Even in my crappy Apple Earbuds, Saurus has a shrill high end that screams "digital." It is super obvious. Listen to Diva's high frequency content in comparison. It sounds so much sweeter to me. That's really where "warmth" comes into play, IMO. And the Phatty demo, well that's even further off. I own a Phatty so I'm super familiar with it's sound. Diva can't do it either, but that's a different discussion.

I'm calling it: The emperor has no clothes. Maybe Saurus needs a high quality mode or something, but as it is, it's nothing special. Just the KVR flavor of the week. Everyone will be all a buzz about it for a little while and then you'll rarely hear about it ever again. I've seen this dozens of times. If you're looking for a good VA but can't afford the Diva CPU hit, I'd suggest Poly-ana, Korg's Legacy Collection MS-20 and/or Poly6. Image-Line's Sawer. Vaz 2010 blows the doors off this. If you're looking for the Tone2 sound, I'd go for Electrax or Gladiator, they're a lot more capable.