Tone2 Saurus Teaser - Competition - KVR Giveaway

[zvenx]

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With the above in mind I would also note in this specific case that it was not us who started the comparison with U-he products, it was someone who felt the need to quote Urs putting down the 0-delay filter technology, taken from another thread.

In my honest opinion it doesn't help if a developer posts inside a competitors thread to slowly fan the flames and post negative claims while steering the discussion towards his own products.

Call it courtesy among professionals but I feel that a product should stand on its own merits and users should be able to decide for themselves without a competitor telling them how they should feel.

see Markus this is where I disagree with you

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 89#4839589

specifically :

Q: Will Tone2 Saurus have those fancy 0-delay filters?

A: Yes. We completely redisigned the filters section and were able to create 6 filter types which support true analog modeling with a 0-delay algorithm, nonlinearity, feedback, self-osc, high-precision pitch tracking, low CPU, oversampling, very fast envelopes and aliasfree distortion.
It's a completely new approach to filter modeling which is not used by any other company or product so far. It's a different '0-delay modeling approach' than that one which has been discussed here on kvr a while ago. The main advantage is a much higher performance and a filter which is very precise with pitch tracking.

I ask you, which other one 'has been discussed on kvr a while ago'?
I don't buy that it wasn't Diva you were speaking of...

rsp

[aMUSEd]

To be fair, Urs comment was posted in the U-he section of this forum and a user quoted it here, not Urs..


rsp

Kinda proves everything I said. Whatever the quote was should have stayed there.

I agree with that.

With the above in mind I would also note in this specific case that it was not us who started the comparison with U-he products, it was someone who felt the need to quote Urs putting down the 0-delay filter technology, taken from another thread.

Oh come off it. The very name invites comparison with DIVA, even the logo on the gui is strikingly similar. And did you not write (3 pages before the quote by Arksun about 0 delay filters)?

Q: Will Tone2 Saurus have those fancy 0-delay filters?

A: Yes. We completely redisigned the filters section and were able to create 6 filter types which support true analog modeling with a 0-delay algorithm, nonlinearity, feedback, self-osc, high-precision pitch tracking, low CPU, oversampling, very fast envelopes and aliasfree distortion.
It's a completely new approach to filter modeling which is not used by any other company or product so far. It's a different '0-delay modeling approach' than that one which has been discussed here on kvr a while ago. The main advantage is a much higher performance and a filter which is very precise with pitch tracking.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... t=#4839589

I think it's pretty obvious which synth you were talking about here. And the quote was from a user, not Urs, and yet just 3 posts down straight away you jump in with the direct reference to u-he. I think it is clear where this started, up until that point nearly all posts were simply attempts to win the prize and congratulations.

And no I am not a "fanboy" - I just dislike this sort of dishonesty and pettiness and the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[MaxSynths]

Can you now please keep me out if this?

Yes very easy: keep away! And think to your business!

Why not do the same. After all, this thread isn't about your products either.

I'm not hijacking the thread to advertise my products though!
I'm here (or I would like to be here...) to discuss about Saurus.

when you've been the one calling paying customers henchman. I'm sure I'm not the only one to find that insulting.

Yes, feel free to consider it an insult. I have no fear to say what I think and the behaviour of some people in this thread, and their words confirm what they really are.

[samsam]

It's always the same here on krv. Trolls, haters, lies & heavy emotions. That's why Tone2, refx and many other companies have moved away from here.

*Sniff*

[MaxSynths]

why has DIVA so many fanboys?

My try would be, because it sounds outstandig...

Totally agree. The only problem is that you can't play more than a couple of notes at the same time or the CPU will burn out

Maybe It's time to spend some energy to optimize it instead of posting all day long on competitors threads.


(Am I expressing my opinion? Or am I trolling? According to the Urs fanboys I'm expressing my opinion... maybe I should start to post these comments over and over on the U-he threads...).

[LeVzi]

To be fair, Urs comment was posted in the U-he section of this forum and a user quoted it here, not Urs..


rsp

Kinda proves everything I said. Whatever the quote was should have stayed there.

I agree with that.

With the above in mind I would also note in this specific case that it was not us who started the comparison with U-he products, it was someone who felt the need to quote Urs putting down the 0-delay filter technology, taken from another thread.

Oh come off it. The very name invites comparison with DIVA, even the logo on the gui is strikingly similar. And did you not write (3 pages before the quote by Arksun about 0 delay filters)?

Q: Will Tone2 Saurus have those fancy 0-delay filters?

A: Yes. We completely redisigned the filters section and were able to create 6 filter types which support true analog modeling with a 0-delay algorithm, nonlinearity, feedback, self-osc, high-precision pitch tracking, low CPU, oversampling, very fast envelopes and aliasfree distortion.
It's a completely new approach to filter modeling which is not used by any other company or product so far. It's a different '0-delay modeling approach' than that one which has been discussed here on kvr a while ago. The main advantage is a much higher performance and a filter which is very precise with pitch tracking.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... t=#4839589

I think it's pretty obvious which synth you were talking about here. And the quote was from a user, not Urs, and yet just 3 posts down straight away you jump in with the direct reference to u-he. I think it is clear where this started, up until that point nearly all posts were simply attempts to win the prize and congratulations.

And no I am not a "fanboy" - I just dislike this sort of dishonesty and pettiness and the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.[/quote

But what YOU make of comments is your business, no one elses, so why feel the need to make assumptions and cause threads like this ? It was a fan boy that started this and it's fan boys trying to bury it.

You gotta laugh really. All Tone2 did was release a new synth, and they did a competition to give some stuff away, and considering they get bashed a lot here , I am surprised they did. Yet even now ppl still want to put the boot in.

The mud that's been thrown is hysterical tbh, talk about petty minded behaviour.

[Cyforce]

It's always the same here on krv. Trolls, haters, lies & heavy emotions. That's why Tone2, refx and many other companies have moved away from here.

*Sniff*

Well, thats a funny post...
If someone, who representing a developer company, call the forum users, on these forum where he promote his/their synthesizer, trolls and haters...

As developer you must also deal with feedback and comments which are not always something like "oh great i buy it"...
Slowly i skip my shopping plans for saurus and better went to the "darkside" called DIVA

[LeVzi]

It's always the same here on krv. Trolls, haters, lies & heavy emotions. That's why Tone2, refx and many other companies have moved away from here.

*Sniff*

Well, thats a funny post...
If someone, who representing a developer company, call the forum users, on these forum where he promote his/their synthesizer, trolls and haters...

As developer you must also deal with feedback and comments which are not always something like "oh great i buy it"...
Slowly i skip my shopping plans for saurus and better went to the "darkside" called DIVA

I don't think anyone going to lose any sleep over that tbh, you've totally misunderstood what's gone on here, probably haven't even read the whole content.

All Tone2 wanted to do was announce Saurus, do a competition, and that was that. Not their fault it was hijacked by a non stop army of diva's.

It's not a case of a 1 sided thread of 100% positive feedback, no one wants that, negative feedback is also welcomed and constructive critism. But all this has degraded into is an all out character assasination of Tone2 and the dev's.

[MaxSynths]

As developer you must also deal with feedback and comments which are not always something like "oh great i buy it"...

Has been said several times that comments, both positive and negative are really precious! Many things that has been criticized here has been taken into consideration. So the problem are not negative but objective comments. The problem is the troll behaviour of some people here that tried in everyway to put Saurus into a bad light.

[zerocrossing]

Nobody's got a magic pill.

Someone who called himself Illusory Barry once gave me a magic pill for $3. It did make all my instruments sound fantastic, but at the time I didn't own any software synths...

[Sampleconstruct]

Selective perception on all ends....

[braj]

Yeah so what I own Diva, (and have not been silent about performance issues I have either) but all my complaints regarding Saurus revolved around the ridiculous demo limits, the GUI 'bugs' (the ugly keyboard, and yes, having an arrow that you can't click and a square that you can IS a usability bug. I was a QA manager at a QA testing firm for 8 years so it is a professional definition) and what I and others perceived to be belligerent marketing language. All these things could be taken by Tone2 as 'good to know' but instead we are called trolls and haters? No thanks, no Tone2 products for me in my future, and no MaxSynths either, thank you very much! I can tell from following this thread that Tone2 rushed this to market, and made similar mistakes they made with other product launches, so they have the same issues being raised. None of this is U-he 'fanboy's' faults. Now if the synth sounds good, or sounds analog, I agree that gets into a very grey area, but my comments were valid, and a good developer would have the sense to listen. I have spent $$$ in the last few months on plugins as I build out my kit, and so I was a prime candidate for this synth. But no thanks now, I don't want to support a developer that calls me a hater or a troll.

[z_old_account]

It's always the same here on krv. Trolls, haters, lies & heavy emotions. That's why Tone2, refx and many other companies have moved away from here.

*Sniff*

Well, thats a funny post...
If someone, who representing a developer company, call the forum users, on these forum where he promote his/their synthesizer, trolls and haters...

As developer you must also deal with feedback and comments which are not always something like "oh great i buy it"...
Slowly i skip my shopping plans for saurus and better went to the "darkside" called DIVA

Everyone can decide for himself what products he buys or not.
I agree with you that a developer has to deal also with critical feedback and comments.
On kvr we had to deal with more insultations, lies, software pirates and trolling than in any other place. One reason might be, that most people are anonymous here. That's why Tone2, reFX and many other have moved away from here.

On our own forum we only had to do one ban and edit during a complete year. On facebook we had to do no ban or edit at all.

[Bronto Scorpio]

Selective perception on all ends....

This should be the new KVR slogan

Cheers
Dennis

[MaxSynths]

having an arrow that you can't click and a square that you can IS a usability bug.

Are you serious? Do you realize that the arrows are graphic elements to indicate the function of the corresponding button, like text labels?? You can say that you don't like it but you can't call it a bug. This is funny!