CSR vs. Valhalla Room?

[rasmusklump]

I have CSR (sadly I am not allowed to sell it) but I can't fit it into a mix. I have never used it in the end.
I would go for Valhallaroom.

[standalone]

To the OP: buy the one you like more, why not?

[odd]

To the OP: buy the one you like more, why not?

I don't - or didn't - know which one I liked more. People here have better, more experienced, ears than I. And my time and skill for tweaking is limited.

[Gamma-UT]

I need a reverb mainly for guitar leads, both distorted and soft bluesy material.

VRoom is arguably the best option here, esp for the bluesy stuff. For strongly effected guitar leads it might almost be a bit too 'real' and Ubermod might still be a better option because of its flexibility. However...

Thanks, but I think I have my delay needs covered. I'm on Mac, so free algorithmic reverb plug-ins are not an option (unless there's some I don't know about?). Live's native reverb is horrible for anything natural-sounding, and the TC Fabrik R that I also have requires re-sampling anything that's going to be rendered, which is a bother. This is for low-latency recording/mixing, so convolution or Nebula (which I also own and love) is out of the question.

Live's native reverb presets are horrible. The reverb itself, esp on Hi-Q mode, is perfectly good. However, to get the best out of it you need to work with the built-in EQ, diffusion and reflection parameters. And you can have hours of fun with the freeze button and a MIDI/control pedal.

And there are free algorithmic reverbs. One is the Smartelectronix (Magnus) Ambience which (I think) has gone from being donationware to free. But, hey, there's nothing wrong with donating. Again, it needs some coaxing to get the best out of it but it works. And then there's Martin Eastwood's MVerb - I haven't had a good play with this one yet, to be honest.

[pdxindy]

Just get VRoom... It is that good and that cheap... reverb steal of the century!

It is also easy to work with. The controls are so easy to change without having to grab tiny buttons.

[MickGael]

I have both. To be honest, I use CSR Hall (as buss verb) more. If I had to choose one, I might go with VRoom (because development is ongoing and very active). Or, I'd save and buy Eventide Stereo Room.

[Brian @ IK Multimedia]

I have both. To be honest, I use CSR Hall (as buss verb) more. If I had to choose one, I might go with VRoom (because development is ongoing and very active). Or, I'd save and buy Eventide Stereo Room.

CSR development is ongoing and active as well. 64-bit support is in development, along with a few other surprises.

As standalone suggests, get the one YOU like best.
We have a fully working 10-day DEMO of CSR. Download it. And make your decision based on that.

DO keep in mind that CSR is not going to remain $50. It is $50 right now because of our limited-time sale.

I'm sure you've already discovered KVR tends to have a hive mentality that chases the latest "shiny new thing" and seems to have an knee-jerk aversion to the industry standard plugins from established developers such as IK Multimedia and Waves. Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment.

This is of course in no way directed at Sean's plugins, just a general pattern you have to be aware of on KVR.

[MickGael]

Thanks for the clarification. I do not think the perception is that there is ongoing development. Good of you to set the record straight. Back the "the hive."

[kmonkey]

Ouch...To my ear Vroom is amazing but CSR is as well. It is not best of the best but it is PERFECTLY fine.

What i want to point out is that these two reverb imho has VERY different sound thus you can get VERY different result. If CSR is 50$, Vroom is also cheap why not get both? Seriously they are very different reverbs and they will fit into your workflow just nice.

[soulata]

I do have CSR but will probably buy VRoom as well.

I have just built a 64bit monster and will install only 64bit stuff for now.

IK, I am looking at you!!! As much as I love SampleTank or CSR, this 64 bit transition has been way too long.

k

[Igro]

Hard to choose, honestly. Both verbs are top notch. CSR was a bit complicated for me, but if you like to tweak...

[Gamma-UT]

One other thing to bear in mind is the copy protection: VRoom is a simple file-based system. IK uses challenge/response with a limit of five activations before you have to go back to IK get some more if you need to upgrade to a new machine beyond the initial five. It can take some time to get there, but I've now maxed mine out and would prefer to not have the hassle of requesting further installations.

Also, it's a bit rich for IK to complain about the hive mind when things don't necessarily go their way. Plenty of people have been pumping up their group buys over the years.

[AndrewSimon]

I need a reverb mainly for guitar leads, both distorted and soft bluesy material. Can't decide between these two - they're both very tweakable (I guess with the upper hand going to CSR in this regard), but I'm not really much of a tweaker. And they both sound pretty good. My budget is limited, hence these two.

From a fellow guitar player.... Valhalla!

[MickGael]

Also, it's a bit rich for IK to complain about the hive mind when things don't necessarily go their way. Plenty of people have been pumping up their group buys over the years.

+1

[soulata]

DO keep in mind that CSR is not going to remain $50. It is $50 right now because of our limited-time sale.

Not to worry though, there is not a month without some kind of IK sale