Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"

[Cerval]

I think we will have news very interesting soon.

[Crackbaby]

I so want to know what synths will go RE... And i hope whoever makes RE-stuff realizes that no one will want to spend tons of cash to switch host.. so they better keep prices really low.

[damoog]

im really excited about some new synths via RE but if i have to start worrying about cpu limits i will just stick with thor,subtractor and malmstrom,there is NOTHING wrong with those synths as they are-even if they are 10 or so years old!-they only sound better through the new mixer...love to see some stuff from u-he and audio damage though...korg onboard?-im definetly up for some korg stuff-im not expected a full blown triton but can we please have a korg trinity in RE form and a prophecy to!!

[AstralExistence]

Very excited about the update.

I started on Reason and have drifted from DAW to DAW trying to find the one that "fits". Cubase, Logic, EnergyXT, Reaper, MuLab, Stuidio One, and Pro Tools.

They all had nice features and offered everything that you need or want from a DAW. But I find it difficult to be creative in a digital environment.

When I used Reason, I was creative and innovative. I did some really cool stuff that is absent from the things I do now. Most of that came from massive combinator patches with 20 different devices all routed every which way to create something insane.

But then I realized that what takes me hours of experimentation and tweaking to accomplish with Thor, Subtractor, or Mealstrom (stacked with effects) I could do in minutes with modern VSTi plugins. I found myself feeling deprived. Feeling like I couldn't actually accomplish something current and profession with the tools provided in Reason. So I abandoned it and went on my DAW pilgrimage.


If this update turns out to be what they say it will be, then I am totally back on the Reason bandwagon. It's great for getting my ideas down quick and easy, but now I might actually be able to get the sounds I crave and the quality that is essential in today's environment.

I remain cautiously hopeful.

thats my feeling too. ive bought and sold reason 3 times. i would spend all day tweaking sounds, and then i realized that i could do the same with vsti in no time. reason is just to deep for the musican that likes instant results. i sold reason mostly because i wanted to make my own sounds which in reason is a confusing complex modular nightmare!

reason is great for sounddesign, point is, many reason users use reason as a rompler. after a while though, you start to get annoyed at using refills and presets because there not your own. then, you start trying to make your own sounds, and, while you have some success, realize thats its just too time consuming, and thus, if your thinking this, your not a sound designer, nor do you truly understand reason. then you sell it, and when the props announce a big update you re-buy it again with the intent of fully mastering reason.

you cant, you suck at it, and you sell it again. its really damn depressing. i find that the ones who use reason forever as there daw are the ones that bought it once, never sold it, and actually understand it. theres no in between. you don't get good at reason, either you understand it completely from the beginning (basics), or you dont, never get it, and get caught in the buy/sell infinite loop.

after i sold reason for the third time, i was like, screw this! and deleted my entire refill folder in which i bought nearly every popular reason refill i spent about 1-3 thousand on refills too. to me, reason sucks and ill never buy it again.

[Halma]

... after a while though, you start to get annoyed at using refills and presets because there not your own. then, you start trying to make your own sounds, and, while you have some success, realize thats its just too time consuming, and thus, if your thinking this, your not a sound designer, nor do you truly understand reason.

Either you understand the principles of acoustics and sound (anolg & digital) or not. It's not the fault of the DAW.

And I don't find Reason patching time consuming. In fact I'm totally amazed how fast I can sketch out my ideas and work on them. I worked a lot with cubase in the 90s on and never got the hang of using VSTs. I found it way more interesting to play around with all those hardware stuff in the studios from my friends. And that's why I like Reason so much. It's like back in the days. It's way more oldschool and inspiring than any other DAW I know. Only in my bedroom.

And mastering is another cup of tea. I don't have the room, the amp, the speakers etc to master at home. I think this should be done by the real engineers. I think I'm pretty good at mixing and that's all what counts for me.

Cheers

Halma

[AstralExistence]

... after a while though, you start to get annoyed at using refills and presets because there not your own. then, you start trying to make your own sounds, and, while you have some success, realize thats its just too time consuming, and thus, if your thinking this, your not a sound designer, nor do you truly understand reason.

Either you understand the principles of acoustics and sound (anolg & digital) or not. It's not the fault of the DAW.

And I don't find Reason patching time consuming. In fact I'm totally amazed how fast I can sketch out my ideas and work on them. I worked a lot with cubase in the 90s on and never got the hang of using VSTs. I found it way more interesting to play around with all those hardware stuff in the studios from my friends. And that's why I like Reason so much. It's like back in the days. It's way more oldschool and inspiring than any other DAW I know. Only in my bedroom.

And mastering is another cup of tea. I don't have the room, the amp, the speakers etc to master at home. I think this should be done by the real engineers. I think I'm pretty good at mixing and that's all what counts for me.

Cheers

Halma

you said it best yourself, "And I don't find Reason patching time consuming. In fact I'm totally amazed how fast I can sketch out my ideas and work on them."

thats not the case with the people that sell reason.

[Crackbaby]

touché

I must say that i understand the principle on how reason work with the patching of cables and how to get things the way i want and i haven't sold it! So you're correct so far But the reason why i don't use it, and it's much like you said , instead of trying to build your own delay or use someone else's preset, i can just launch RP-Delay and get exactly what i need in no time. Or, i can load Übermod and get things a few dimensions beyond what i need

Let's see if you will buy it again

[hotmitts]

touché

I must say that i understand the principle on how reason work with the patching of cables and how to get things the way i want and i haven't sold it! So you're correct so far But the reason why i don't use it, and it's much like you said , instead of trying to build your own delay or use someone else's preset, i can just launch RP-Delay and get exactly what i need in no time. Or, i can load Übermod and get things a few dimensions beyond what i need

Let's see if you will buy it again

I use Reason (and Sonar) and I'm no expert, but there's a huge amount of preset Combinators which do a lot of what I want. Same as loading a preset on a VST, isn't it?

[Crackbaby]

As written by AstralExistence

reason is great for sounddesign, point is, many reason users use reason as a rompler. after a while though, you start to get annoyed at using refills and presets because there not your own. then, you start trying to make your own sounds, and, while you have some success, realize thats its just too time consuming, and thus, if your thinking this, your not a sound designer, nor do you truly understand reason.

Personally I don't use presets so im not the one to ask, but i know that a combinator has four knobs and four buttons.

[hotmitts]

A Combinator contains a whole chain of devices, I think many DAW's contain Track presets which serve the same function.
I'm just saying in Reason's defence, you don't need to be a full anorak-wearing computer programmer-type to use it, I mean, it's as deep as you want to go.
I was reading about EQ the other day, that's a deep subject, you really need some tech know-how, I think, to get it right. But that applies whatever host or brand you're using.

[AstralExistence]

A Combinator contains a whole chain of devices, I think many DAW's contain Track presets which serve the same function.
I'm just saying in Reason's defence, you don't need to be a full anorak-wearing computer programmer-type to use it, I mean, it's as deep as you want to go.
I was reading about EQ the other day, that's a deep subject, you really need some tech know-how, I think, to get it right. But that applies whatever host or brand you're using.

i agree with crackbaby, sure, you can build a delay, sure you can build a amazing atmospheric sound tweaking them to perfection, which could take all day depending on how much you get reason. and believe me, if your not somebody that gets reason, you WILL be there all damn day. i know. or you could just load up freq echo, and some synth like hg fortune and do the same thing and better at that.

also, ive heard the whole 'deep as you want it' in fact i got that same spew when i made a post on the props forum about not getting reason. its a really inspiring statement when you first hear it. "ill just take it slow and learn one thing a day" but it becomes useless as a plane with no wings when your giving every ounce of brain power trying to say, make a tap delay, with 3 delays, or make find some routing problem, or my fav, no sound in a combinator because you unplugged some erroneous cord located 8 fx down.

tech know how in reason is like a nurse trying to understand a doctors job. i mean, you have the basics, but when you go into the reason environment, now your trying to understand how a doctor thinks. its just not the same. i admit i miss reason, and am said i sold it and deleted all my refills, one of my fav things in reason wasnt the production, but rather auditioning sounds. like the bitword wavfront thats what i miss most about reason. playing with refills. but the shit hits the fan once you start trying to make your own sounds.

like i said, you get the basics of reason from the begining, and slowly improve the longer you use it, or your somebody that never understood it from the get go and never will. i just cant see it other way.

[hotmitts]

also, ive heard the whole 'deep as you want it' in fact i got that same spew when i made a post on the props forum about not getting reason. its a really inspiring statement when you first hear it. "ill just take it slow and learn one thing a day" but it becomes useless as a plane with no wings when your giving every ounce of brain power trying to say, make a tap delay, with 3 delays, or make find some routing problem, or my fav, no sound in a combinator because you unplugged some erroneous cord located 8 fx down.

tech know how in reason is like a nurse trying to understand a doctors job. i mean, you have the basics, but when you go into the reason environment, now your trying to understand how a doctor thinks. its just not the same. i admit i miss reason, and am said i sold it and deleted all my refills, one of my fav things in reason wasnt the production, but rather auditioning sounds. like the bitword wavfront thats what i miss most about reason. playing with refills. but the shit hits the fan once you start trying to make your own sounds.

like i said, you get the basics of reason from the begining, and slowly improve the longer you use it, or your somebody that never understood it from the get go and never will. i just cant see it other way.

Okay, I wasn't trying to give you some 'spew' (that would indeed be unpleasant), I just meant that I don't try and go that deep with Reason myself, and it's okay for my purposes.
What you say about getting it or not, I agree, I used Reason early on, but just with preset instruments and effects really. You could call Propellerheads obstinate in a way, they do their own thing, that's either good or bad.
I agree also, it's the patch-browser and stuff like that which are good.

[FaX]

There are some things in Reason that are just plain convoluted in many respects (as much as I love it) and patching the shit out of stuff when you just want to get on with some music can be a right royal PITA but I digress.
Personally, the audio recording, sampling and mixer features in V6 are great but trying to do anything remotely expressive on a granular or audio buffer based level at the moment is not a lot of fun. Creating proper FM style sounds needs multiple Thor's and a lot of patching for example (even for basic 4 OP FM synthesis).
Hopefully we will see some better implemented Rack extensions on that front and I seriously need more then the REV7000 can offer on the reverb front.
For me, I get better results using my MPC + Hardware tracked into Reason and use Reason for embellishments etc (I just prefer the sound of my hardware synths over many refill patches) and even when using refills I find myself reconfiguring the Combinator Mod Matrix and or editing the samples etc to get them sounding the way I like.
Most, if not all my pads, ambiences and atmospheres are done using a D550 and JD990 for example and I prefer using analog synths for squelchy fx, bass lines and the like. Though I have sampled the bejesus out of my QS8 for some great custom Kong Kits for example and using Thor as a filter box for the QS8 gives the sounds a lot more depth.
I'm holding out to see what 6.5 & RE bring to the table, but they should have implemented Midi Out with the introduction of Record or at least brought it to the table in version 6.
So for me it's a case of wait and see.
Only time will tell, but sometimes getting from point A to Point B should not involve 2 weeks of dedicated patching and sound design and it's not like I can sell the refills I've bought based on the EULA of most sample party developers.

[Cerval]

Universal Audio on board ?

http://backspin-media.de/archive/19224/ ... ment-29873

[Cerval]

Again my link doesn't work ?