CSR vs. Valhalla Room?

[ObiWonder]

Jam Points are a great way to get discounts on IK stuff, but when we have a promo or sale where the price is already ridiculously low we don't allow the use of Jam Points. Think of them as getting a discount on anything you need when we don't have a discount going on.

When was this promo? If it was recently PM me and I'll see what I can do. We always try to go the extra mile to make sure our customers are happy.

[Ah Xoc Kin]

Jam Points are a great way to get discounts on IK stuff, but when we have a promo or sale where the price is already ridiculously low we don't allow the use of Jam Points. Think of them as getting a discount on anything you need when we don't have a discount going on.

When was this promo? If it was recently PM me and I'll see what I can do. We always try to go the extra mile to make sure our customers are happy.

This was last year I believe. I'm happy.

Regarding the Jam Points, using them to get a discount from your regular prices has not been a good idea for me. Usually it's cheaper via a dealer.

[ObiWonder]

I'm glad your happy. I can see how it would be cheaper, especially if one doesn't have that many Jam Points to begin with.

[ominopasticcione]

I was willing to try CSR and dowloaded the demo, but I can't get it to work in Ableton Live 8. I mean that the VSTs don't appear in the browser and so it's impossible to launch them.
I tried with an evaluation version of Reaper and didn't have any problem instead, but Ableton Live is my main DAW and in order to choose CSR I really need it to work within Ableton.
The VSTs are 32-bit version, right?
I looked around and it looks like I'm not the only one experiencing this kind of issue, but couldn't find a universal solution and the ones I tried so far were not successfull. Anyone could help with that?

[AKJ]

I do not know the CSR, but I tried the demo of Valhalla Room, I do not get the hype. my good old SpinAudio Roomverb M1 and M2 can both easily achieve a better sound (of course, this is quite subjective) and they are much more flexible//tweakable (this can hardly be denied).
Maybe, the same applies to teh CSR. Old is not always worse.

If I need 64 bit I go for the MeldaProduction MMultiBandReverb (however, I just use it single band, but since I got it in a bundle I do only have the multi-band version. I guess I would also be happy with the single band version: MReverb). It is also very teakable and even got an automatable spatial positioning system.

cheers, akj

[Integratron]

I was willing to try CSR and dowloaded the demo, but I can't get it to work in Ableton Live 8. I mean that the VSTs don't appear in the browser and so it's impossible to launch them.
I tried with an evaluation version of Reaper and didn't have any problem instead, but Ableton Live is my main DAW and in order to choose CSR I really need it to work within Ableton.
The VSTs are 32-bit version, right?
I looked around and it looks like I'm not the only one experiencing this kind of issue, but couldn't find a universal solution and the ones I tried so far were not successfull. Anyone could help with that?

I run with Live 8 no problems whatsoever. I suspect that CSR is on your system. Do a search for "CSR.dll" and you'll find where the plugs were installed.

[ominopasticcione]

I find a solution on Ableton forum just now: it looks that IK plugins require Ableton to run with Administrator privileges. By Running the application as Administrator AND RESELECTING PLUGINS FOLDER (rescanning was not sufficient), CSR plugins appeared in the browser and now work correctly. Strange anyway.
Btw, I really like the way they sound.. I'm comparing them with ValhallaRoom demo and can't come up with a clear preference.
ValhallaRoom sounds more "thick" in a certain way, while CSR sound more "evolving" to me. I'll check them again later.

[pdxindy]

I do not know the CSR, but I tried the demo of Valhalla Room, I do not get the hype.

Keep trying... you will get it eventually

[Dean Aka Nekro]

For the money and considering the quality I would just buy both Reverb plug-ins. Its great value for money $99 for all those, Add Shimmer and UberMod and $199 = Still a bargain IMveryhumbleHO

Dean

[ObiWonder]

I find a solution on Ableton forum just now: it looks that IK plugins require Ableton to run with Administrator privileges. By Running the application as Administrator AND RESELECTING PLUGINS FOLDER (rescanning was not sufficient), CSR plugins appeared in the browser and now work correctly. Strange anyway.
Btw, I really like the way they sound.. I'm comparing them with ValhallaRoom demo and can't come up with a clear preference.
ValhallaRoom sounds more "thick" in a certain way, while CSR sound more "evolving" to me. I'll check them again later.

Glad you got it working. If you need anymore help our support is always around for 1 on 1 help.

[AudioGuy720]

I have both. To be honest, I use CSR Hall (as buss verb) more. If I had to choose one, I might go with VRoom (because development is ongoing and very active). Or, I'd save and buy Eventide Stereo Room.

CSR development is ongoing and active as well. 64-bit support is in development, along with a few other surprises.

As standalone suggests, get the one YOU like best.
We have a fully working 10-day DEMO of CSR. Download it. And make your decision based on that.

DO keep in mind that CSR is not going to remain $50. It is $50 right now because of our limited-time sale.

I'm sure you've already discovered KVR tends to have a hive mentality that chases the latest "shiny new thing" and seems to have an knee-jerk aversion to the industry standard plugins from established developers such as IK Multimedia and Waves. Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment.

This is of course in no way directed at Sean's plugins, just a general pattern you have to be aware of on KVR.

Watch yourself Brian. You have a lot of fans (myself included) here at KVR and when your company's latest and greatest plug-ins come out we tend to gush over them if they sound good/make our mixing lives/quality easier and better.

Valhalla Room is legit. And it's DSP code is newer (2011) than CSR (2006). That's not to say that CSR sucks because it definitely doesn't but Valhalla is an improvement and when it launched it had a "project studio friendly" price. Some people even like it better than the $400 Lexicon LXP Native plug-in which is impressive.

One test I like to do to check graininess of a reverb is to clap or snap my fingers. Record the snap/clap with a condenser mic. You can really hear any graininess when doing that, if at all. Good reverb will be smoother sounding vs. poor reverb.

The other big reverb quality test is how well it layers in a mix. If the reverb can maintain depth/separation without turning the mix into mush then it's a good reverb.

[Proteinshake]

With Vallhalla Room going Mac VST64 tomorrow CSR never even got a chance, I bought it the minute I read the announcement. But still good luck to IK Multimedia with their 64bit code ..

[ObiWonder]

I have both. To be honest, I use CSR Hall (as buss verb) more. If I had to choose one, I might go with VRoom (because development is ongoing and very active). Or, I'd save and buy Eventide Stereo Room.

CSR development is ongoing and active as well. 64-bit support is in development, along with a few other surprises.

As standalone suggests, get the one YOU like best.
We have a fully working 10-day DEMO of CSR. Download it. And make your decision based on that.

DO keep in mind that CSR is not going to remain $50. It is $50 right now because of our limited-time sale.

I'm sure you've already discovered KVR tends to have a hive mentality that chases the latest "shiny new thing" and seems to have an knee-jerk aversion to the industry standard plugins from established developers such as IK Multimedia and Waves. Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment.

This is of course in no way directed at Sean's plugins, just a general pattern you have to be aware of on KVR.

Watch yourself Brian. You have a lot of fans (myself included) here at KVR and when your company's latest and greatest plug-ins come out we tend to gush over them if they sound good/make our mixing lives/quality easier and better.

Valhalla Room is legit. And it's DSP code is newer (2011) than CSR (2006). That's not to say that CSR sucks because it definitely doesn't but Valhalla is an improvement and when it launched it had a "project studio friendly" price. Some people even like it better than the $400 Lexicon LXP Native plug-in which is impressive.

One test I like to do to check graininess of a reverb is to clap or snap my fingers. Record the snap/clap with a condenser mic. You can really hear any graininess when doing that, if at all. Good reverb will be smoother sounding vs. poor reverb.

The other big reverb quality test is how well it layers in a mix. If the reverb can maintain depth/separation without turning the mix into mush then it's a good reverb.

No one at IK said anything bad about any developers mentioned in this thread. As always use your ears to pick your tools, we like our sound to speak for our quality.

[odd]

Anyone have some CSR presets they'd like to share? There was a set by Sounds Divine, but the link is down.

[antithesist]

Okay kind souls, I'm trying to make my final decision on the CSR deal. I have the hall and can't re-demo the others. What are the standout features for the room, plate and inverse (or hall, but I'm relatively familiar with that)? Also, what hardware unit is each algorithm modeled after? IK have said they can't comment on that. How close did they get? I'm kind of interested in this whether I get the full package or not. Thanks!