Roland Gaia Super Saw revealed

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I just got a Roland Gaia to play with, and the first thing was to check out the Super Saw, and even though the synth is advertised as a VA synth, Roland "forgot" to add a small detail that the Super Saw part is not VA. Its propably samples.

The first thing that got my attention is that the synth doesn not have the standard supersaw controls like "Detune" and "Mix", but instead it has three different detune variations you can switch between.

The second thing I noticed is that when I played a sustained note, I heared something that I wasnt used to hearing when playing a supersaw. So I recorded it and I noticed thats there is a looping cycle going on. The wav cycles look exactly the same and this doesnt happen with normal supersaws.

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The third thing is that, everytime I pressed a key it always started at the same phase, again which doesnt happen with the supersaw.

And last, when playing different keys I heared tonal changes so to confirm I played 6 otcaves and through a spectrum one can see that at certain keys the frequency goes all the way to 20khz, but then gradually losing the high frequency content, until another full one comes. This is typical sampler behaviour.

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Here are the wavs I used to check for yourselves:

http://www.adamszabo.com/files/gaia_sup ... ctaves.wav
http://www.adamszabo.com/files/gaia_supersaw_notes.wav

So this brings me to my conclusion that the Super Saw in the Gaia are simply sampled loops (or wavetable loops or whatever you wanna call it), with 3 different detune variations.

This is not in all a bad way, it sounds good on bass sounds, but I just thought I would give a heads up to those who are considering getting a Gaia, so you wont get dissapointed if you wanted a "real" supersaw.

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It seems it's using a crippled version of the same chip that's in the Fantom G. Samples indeed, you can clearly hear the loop by listening to the noise "generator". Gaia also has GM drums available via MIDI and bass too, so it's clear that it is sample based.

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Thank you for pointing this out, but its not news. This has been known for quite a while.

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adamtrance wrote: Roland "forgot" to add a small detail that the Super Saw part is not VA. Its propably samples.
Yes it's sampled/pcm, like also written with example in this review:
http://www.pro-tone.eu/2010/07/review-r ... aia-sh-01/

A little bit pity, as developer of the famous waveform in all times, to add this as pcm or sample in a new syntheszier instead of the real supersaw...

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All waveforms in Gaia are samples.

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Glad I sold mine and went for an Akai MPK49 and a Slim Phatty instead!
Having a lot of controls was fun, but I have so many soft synths that sound better.
I contemplated keeping it as a midi controller, but most of the sliders don't even send out CCs...

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T-CM11 wrote:Glad I sold mine and went for an Akai MPK49 and a Slim Phatty instead!
Having a lot of controls was fun, but I have so many soft synths that sound better.
I contemplated keeping it as a midi controller, but most of the sliders don't even send out CCs...
Interesting you brought this up. I had no interest in the Gaia, having been blown away by the crappy sound from the SH-201 and not expecting much, but I was interested in the Phatty. I went to a music shop to demo the Phatty and my wife was with me. While I was noodling on the Moog (not a euphemism) my wife said, "Why not this one? (pointing to a Gaia) It looks like it's got more going on and it's in the same price range." I didn't explain to her what it was (she's not a musician and doesn't really care) but I said, "Let's check it out." After a few seconds she said, "That one doesn't sound as good."

So, to people who think the average non-musician doesn't know the difference... :roll: Roland is pretty much only good at ROMplers these days and doesn't care about anything else. Shame really. Look at the Minibrute. Could have totally been a Roland SH-2000 all analog synth by roland, but Arturia stepped up and is about to eat their lunch.
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Your wife is awesome, zerocrossing! :)

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Agreed!! How the hell did you get her with you into a music store? Did it involve "suffering" some of her shopping as well? :P :hihi:

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Bumping this old thread, as I am looking into the Gaia. I don't think it sounds "bad" actually...seems ok to me, but I still haven't heard one in person. I've just watched some videos and read reviews, etc.



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Also, I know you say you think the supersaw is sampled (and it seems like it could be judging from those screenshots that were posted), but why would Daniel Fisher at Sweetwater Music say it isn't so?

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SH01/reviews
"I find it amusing to read people's comments on internet forums that make definitive statements about a product they've never even had their hands on. The SH-01 GAIA Synthesizer is a good example of this. I can assure you that this *is* a virtual analog synthesizer, and that the oscillators waveforms *are* modeled (not sampled)."

Anyway, it would work pretty well as a controller with all of its sliders and knobs, but I am a bit disappointed there's no aftertouch.

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Well he's a marketing person and marketing can say whatever the hell they want. :P

Adam debunked Daniel's statement with pure science. So...

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Good to know what to not buy :P

What is the purpose to use hardware synth if it's actually a sample player? Ableton can do the same despite lack of stock synths :P

The possibility to smoothly detune supersaw it it's key advantage, as well as controlled aliasing present in original JP8000.
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EvilDragon wrote:Well he's a marketing person and marketing can say whatever the hell they want. :P

Adam debunked Daniel's statement with pure science. So...
I knew someone would say that :hihi:

I think (like Adam said) it would be good for sounds where you might want it to start with the same phase every time, like a bass sound, but for pads it wouldn't work very well using a supersaw. Hopefully the supersaw is the only "sampled" part of it.

I'd be interested to hear (and see) more tests and screenshots of what actual users of the Gaia get when using the other waveforms.

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You can prob get a used JP for the same price as a new GAIA, if the supersaw sound is what you are after... or buy a soft version for much less.

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