Ohm Force plug-ins going 64bit

[Mauve Force]

I think what LeVzi says (along with some other guys here) is :

"I would be OK to pay for the upgrade fee if I needed a different format version. For instance if I needed AU when I have VST or RTAS. But I am not OK to pay for it when I stick to the same format (I don't care that due to computer evolution changes are to be made)"

As I understand the problem was the same when we had to release UB versions (former versions being PPC).

Both software developers and customers didn't ask for these kind of changes and both have to cop with it. Switch to UB had been a hell of a work, and switch to 64 bits was almost the same.

What comforted me when we released UB and some people complained about the need of upgrades was: "eventually they will own Pack and next time they won't be annoyed".
And in fact with upgrades and cohmpletion, the part of our customer with Single Licenses is smaller and smaller with time.

For most of our customers it appears that the Single License deal was in fact : "bought it now for a lesser price, and eventually you'll pay for the difference".

Like a payment in two times with no fee.

But several years later, you don't want to pay for something you already own, for whatever reasons. The deal is forgotten, or worse, it has never been understood as such.

So once again I understand LeVzi point of view. I cannot deny the right of any body to be pissed off against Ohm Force (yet I thought for ages that this was my Jedi's mission).

I say it again, contact us, say what you have to say, I will help.

[LeVzi]

So why is 64bit of the same format you paid for suddenly a brand new format ?

Simply put, it isn't. It's just a different bit depth

No offence, but when a non-programmer starts bandying the adverb 'just' around when it comes to software, its usually the case that they have no idea what they're talking about. Coding isnt waving a magic wand, and what non-coders assume is trivial, almost certainly isnt. khanyz has already mentioned some of the potential issues, for example.

For example, when folk talk about 64-bit plugins, its not bit-depth that's different. An 8-bit processor could be made to handle 64-bit bit-depth.

64-bit in terms of operating systems (and hence software) refers to memory addressing, and, for our purposes when talking about audio software, by extension, effectively ties that to the instruction set of the processor (ie the Intel x86 instruction set versus AMD x64 instruction set.)
Big difference from bit-depth.

OK well you seem to be taking offence from the fact I appear unsympathetic to all developers who have ever written plug-in. Well I am not, I understand that time is needed to do things, and it takes the developer time and effort to do things.

So I don't flippantly throw words like just around not knowing at least some of the background to what I am annoyed about. What is blatantly obvious from yours and khanyz's posts are that your are both sympathetic to the Ohmforce dev's (You might be part of their setup for all I know) and that a non coder has no clue as to what's needed to port a 32 bit plug-in to a 64bit one. I don't deny that at all tbh. I don't know all the technical stuff behind it.

But there are lines being drawn here, that 64bit and 32bit versions of say VST are in fact totally different formats. Even though they can actually run in either a 32 or 64bit host. (All be it via bridging) You cannot run an AU in a Windows VST enviroment, now that says different format to me.

Ohmforce created the single license so that you could get a nice discount for the version you wanted, which for me was the Windows 32bit as there was no 64bit around then. Now it appears if you want a VST for windows version, or for mac or protools, you have to choose between 32 or 64bit. Now please, tell me what other dev with multi or single licenses forces the users to choose between the bit depth ?

Anyone who wants an ohmforce plug-in has to be either on a 32 or 64bit host, or at least have the means to bridge in the plug-in if you use both. So really the single license is now redundant.

When I bought my single license, I assumed if 64bit ever came around, i'd not have to pay extra, I never have for any plug-ins I own, so I assumed (again) i'd not have to here. I was wrong, that's cool.

I just hope everyone who considers an Ohmforce plug-in now knows you have to get the pack license to get both 32 and 64bit versions of the format(s) you choose. If you want the single license discount, you will only get the 32 or 64 bit of whatever format you want.

If it was Ohmcide 2, brand new version with even more in it, i'd have paid a lot more for that kind of update. How long did users need to wait for the 64bit update ? lol Then be told you need to pay for it. Sorry but the whole thing is insulting.

[whyterabbyt]

OK well you seem to be taking offence

You might be part of their setup for all I know

see, that's where you get into silly territory. gtfu. if you cant conceive of an opinion that dissents from yours, its time to stop repeating your opinion of what the facts should sum up to over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and chill the f**k out.

seriously; you're interpretation of what Ohm meant was wrong. Your mistake, so get over it.

[LeVzi]

OK well you seem to be taking offence

You might be part of their setup for all I know

see, that's where you get into silly territory. gtfu. if you cant conceive of an opinion that dissents from yours, its time to stop repeating your opinion of what the facts should sum up to over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and chill the f**k out.

seriously; you're interpretation of what Ohm meant was wrong. Your mistake, so get over it.

In your opinion, so no need to get quite so butthurt, as your opinion means nothing to me as mine doesnt to you.

But completely out of interest, just what the hell is gtfu ? get the f**k up ? get the f**k umbrella ?

[whyterabbyt]

Even though they can actually run in either a 32 or 64bit host. (All be it via bridging)

here's a clue; can you run a 64-bit plugin in a 32-bit operating system?

Nope. Why not? Different format. So how can 32-bit hosts in a 64-bit OS run 32-bit plugins? Because the OS does clever shit so 32-bit software still works like it would under a 32-bit OS. While the OS does shitloads of voodoo.

Does that make 32-bit formats and 64-bit formats the same?

No.

[whyterabbyt]

In your opinion, so no need to get quite so butthurt

still pretending ive got a horse in the race? sheesh.

, as your opinion means nothing to me as mine doesnt to you.

But completely out of interest, just what the hell is gtfu ? get the f**k up ? get the f**k umbrella ?

"grow the f**k up". no seriously, stop being such a kid about it. im being nice, here, and that's not my forte. but really, you're behaving like a two-year old who wants a hundred buckets of ice cream.

we get it; you dont get it, we get that you dont get it, you not getting it isnt going to change it, you saying you dont get it over and over and over again still isnt going to change it.

surely a couple of dozen times would have sufficed by now?

[LeVzi]

In your opinion, so no need to get quite so butthurt

still pretending ive got a horse in the race? sheesh.

, as your opinion means nothing to me as mine doesnt to you.

But completely out of interest, just what the hell is gtfu ? get the f**k up ? get the f**k umbrella ?

"grow the f**k up". no seriously, stop being such a kid about it. im being nice, here, and that's not my forte. but really, you're behaving like a two-year old who wants a hundred buckets of ice cream.

we get it; you dont get it, we get that you dont get it, you not getting it isnt going to change it, you saying you dont get it over and over and over again still isnt going to change it.

surely a couple of dozen times would have sufficed by now?

Seeing as none of this was ever directed at you, I dunno why you are crying so much over it. OCD maybe ? I dunno. Or maybe you are fighting the good fight for all coders in the land.

No idea really, but makes no difference to me, what Ohmforce have done is a bad move in my opinion, and the case for 32bit and 64bit being separate formats is subjective to the educated and non educated, and obviously the consumer will dictate that one in the long run.

Now take my advice, go get a cold beer (If you old enough to drink) and sit back and enjoy it.

[Muuseec]

Seems to me there's a lot of whining going on.

[LeVzi]

Seems to me there's a lot of whining going on.

Nah not whining, it's degrading into a flame-fest but I guess that was on the cards anyway considering, but there was valid points made, especially the whole new format being 64bit etc.

Although tbh, its been worth it for the best thing i've read in a long long time. Best bit of comedy i've seen. So makes for good repeat reading for me.

[whyterabbyt]

Seeing as none of this was ever directed at you, I dunno why you are crying so much over it.

You're the guy crying. Sorry I took time out to try and help diddums with his sadness and confusion though.

OCD maybe ? I dunno. Or maybe you are fighting the good fight for all coders in the land.

Yeah, OCD. That's ironic given the ratio of how many times you've posted on this compared to me.

No idea really, but makes no difference to me

Im convinced. Given how many times you've posted about this compared to me.

what Ohmforce have done is a bad move in my opinion, and the case for 32bit and 64bit being separate formats is subjective to the educated and non educated, and obviously the consumer will dictate that one in the long run.

Yeah, we got that a few days ago.

Now take my advice, go get a cold beer (If you old enough to drink) and sit back and enjoy it.

Im old enough, ta. And on my fifth beer of the night. Would be slightly less amusing without your kiddie tantrums.

[Muuseec]

Although tbh, its been worth it for the best thing i've read in a long long time. Best bit of comedy i've seen. So makes for good repeat reading for me. D

Ok, I admit it's fascinating in a cheap, tabloid kinda way...

[LeVzi]

Ok, I admit it's fascinating in a cheap, tabloid kinda way...

It's why people buy the daily star aint it ?

[LeVzi]

Seeing as none of this was ever directed at you, I dunno why you are crying so much over it.

You're the guy crying. Sorry I took time out to try and help diddums with his sadness and confusion though.

OCD maybe ? I dunno. Or maybe you are fighting the good fight for all coders in the land.

Yeah, OCD. That's ironic given the ratio of how many times you've posted on this compared to me.

No idea really, but makes no difference to me

Im convinced. Given how many times you've posted about this compared to me.

what Ohmforce have done is a bad move in my opinion, and the case for 32bit and 64bit being separate formats is subjective to the educated and non educated, and obviously the consumer will dictate that one in the long run.

Yeah, we got that a few days ago.

Now take my advice, go get a cold beer (If you old enough to drink) and sit back and enjoy it.

Im old enough, ta. And on my fifth beer of the night. Would be slightly less amusing without your kiddie tantrums.

General opinions and observations are never "kiddie tantrums" it's just a shame I had to explain it more than once. But hey, degrading threads is what you do best Nice website btw

"Being nice isn't my forte" ~ whyterabbyt , that's sig material if ever I saw it, thanks for that line of the year lol

[whyterabbyt]

General opinions and observations are never "kiddie tantrums"

meh. after the first ten repetitions, actually they are. in fact, thats all they are.

But hey, degrading threads is what you do best

so this is about me now? how remarkable. and predictable. and childish.

you said your piece. you repeated it into twathood. best stop while you're behind, huh?

"Being nice isn't my forte" ~ whyterabbyt , that's sig material if ever I saw it, thanks for that line of the year lol

I'd say 'whoosh' but it'd be over your head.

[cryophonik]

IBTL.