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trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:29 pm

braj wrote:

NOOOO!!! Not again!!!

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:31 pm

trimph1 wrote:
braj wrote:
NOOOO!!! Not again!!!

Say, we can act if we want to.
If we don't nobody will.
And you can act real rude,
and totally remove and I can act like an imbecile.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:34 pm

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:39 pm

Teksonik wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:
yes, you are, and heres why. the point of this thread, is is not about the sound of a synth, no, thats how you see it, the point of this thread is about simple, one page synths, ergonomics, which it seems, many enjoy and also find very productive, how you see it is irrelevant to how others see it, and your viewpoint means nothing in a thread where the entire viewpoint of the thread is about one page gui. youve said what you said, if you have something productive to say on what the benefits are of one page synths, then feel free to state them. otherwise, realize that your viewpoint is not shared in this thread
So if someone disagrees with you they can't post in your thread? Hilarious. You'd better find someplace other than KVR to post then...

AstralExistence wrote:if you have something productive to say on what the benefits are of one page synths,
There are no benefits to one page synths.....share that.

look tek, im well aware you have a lot of knowledge in sound design, i also know your a damn good producer, and are very skilled in music and come from the oldskool. i have much respect for you.

that said, i am not, i mess with music, but i haven't found my place yet in music. for me, i find that i have a hard time programing synths, and writing music. so that's why i created this thread. to see if others enjoy simple one page guis that make them more productive. BECAUSE they find there not very productive with more complicated synths.

i have no problem with you posting in this, or any of my threads, i should not have said that, but, understand that i have not been very productive as of late and i think its because the synths i use are too advanced for me. so i see the one page gui as a way to get out of a music production rutt, where you see the gui as less important then the sound. for me, the gui is more important then the sound. thats all. we just have different view points obviously

dreamkeeper · Post by **dreamkeeper** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:17 pm

Am I the only one who thinks that listing one-page-knobfests like Pentagon as examples of good GUI design... is a tad off the wall? I mean... if I have to read the labels or count the knobs each time to find the parameter I want, that can't be a great thing, can it?

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:50 pm

dreamkeeper wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that listing one-page-knobfests like Pentagon as examples of good GUI design... is a tad off the wall? I mean... if I have to read the labels or count the knobs each time to find the parameter I want, that can't be a great thing, can it?

agree, pentagon is a knob fest for sure.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:58 pm

I miss the old vst days.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:27 pm

Returning and listening to some of my favorite VST oldies, I'm glad those days of terrible aliasing, other digital artifacts, and limited feature sets is over

It's funny how I never noticed things like the aliasing at the time, perhaps I thought it was a part of the sound, or maybe I was in denial (kinda like when I used to "octave up" my 8-bit samples to save memory and convince myself the halved version sounded just as good). But now I'm spoiled with lots of synths that hardly alias obviously at all, it stands out like a sore thumb when it happens.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:57 pm

User interfaces are so personal and our preferences will always be different. I personally love Trilian's interface because it hides away a lot of stuff unless I want to look at it, I like having it use a whole page for the arp as opposed to AAS' plugins that use as few pixels as possible but keep it on the same page. But that's just me and I won't pretend my preference is somehow superior. Anyhow, whenever anyone on the internet poses themselves as an expert I have to laugh a little and this old In Living Color sketch comes to mind:

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:10 pm

Was kilohearts khs one mentioned? http://kilohearts.com/

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:12 pm

braj wrote:User interfaces are so personal and our preferences will always be different. I personally love Trilian's interface because it hides away a lot of stuff unless I want to look at it, I like having it use a whole page for the arp as opposed to AAS' plugins that use as few pixels as possible but keep it on the same page. But that's just me and I won't pretend my preference is somehow superior. Anyhow, whenever anyone on the internet poses themselves as an expert I have to laugh a little and this old In Living Color sketch comes to mind:

Heh, the layout is not my favourite thing about Trilian. See, like snowflakes we are all different.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:17 pm

musikmachine wrote: See, like snowflakes we are all different.

http://www.zefrank.com/snowflake/

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:17 pm

Sendy wrote:Returning and listening to some of my favorite VST oldies, I'm glad those days of terrible aliasing, other digital artifacts, and limited feature sets is over

Me too. I dont really miss the old stuff.
But, thats having already experienced that past.
I am nostalgic for it. I really get butterflies when I see some of the old Krakli guis. But I cant deny the incredible jump in quality, both in commercial and home made stuff, that has happened since.
(Quality in all ways too. Sonically, feature set, ergonomics, stability/efficiency...)

So I cant imagine not wanting it to progress as long as I am involved and can keep up, but I can see how not having the history of simpler times behind you might make the current batch of monsters pretty overwhelming.
I can easily see that actually.
No matter the level of experience, everyone wants to play with the hot new toy. And newbies doing that now are encountering some pretty sophisticated stuff compared to even a handful of years ago.

But that said, I think that while the 'forefront' of 'pro' gear is amazing, and worthwhile, the other side of it is probably more important in the long run. The lowly bedroom devs making buggy one page SE plugs are consistently creating really risky and innovative stuff, and not charging arms or legs for it.
And ironically, that is the shit that keeps me from getting bored these days.

The monster flagship synths are great as a standard do-it-alls. And the cost of relying on that standard is having to deal with some complexity. And its worth it. But for me they are not really "exciting".

edit:

Y'know I was just thinking...

I can remember outgroing synths.
I can remember wanting to do stuff, and realizing that the synth could not do it. That was like, amazing. It was like beating a video game.
And so a synth that could do xyz was pretty exciting, even if only for that single new thing.

So imagine now, payware or freeware, a newb is ofen going to run into something that can do pretty much anything they are capable of programming or thinking of, and eleventeen times more. Where the fukk do they go? Rtfm a thousand times to find the submenu? Not quite so inspiring. Anyway, a different experience....

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:21 pm

AstralExistence wrote:
dreamkeeper wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that listing one-page-knobfests like Pentagon as examples of good GUI design... is a tad off the wall? I mean... if I have to read the labels or count the knobs each time to find the parameter I want, that can't be a great thing, can it?
agree, pentagon is a knob fest for sure.

Try working on an older analogue synth sometime...the only way to remember a patch was through the use of a patch book you created...

i miss the days when vstis were fun to program and all one page