CSR vs. Valhalla Room?

[trimph1]

See, they're here to sell and deceive. Ask yourself why there is so much open hostility. I certainly didn't start it. In fact, I was shocked that there had been so much for so long when whichever Larry, Moe or Curly sent me searching on the CSR origin wild goose chase, instead of just politely answering my polite question. But, let's get this back on topic: buy IK, praise IK, and you and your family won't be attacked by robots.

And you are suggesting??

[antithesist]

There is no suggestion involved.

[pdxindy]

I'm going to buy one of these and am pretty torn as to which one to go for at the moment.

I already have Reverence and Reverberate IR reverbs with Redline Reverb and Epicverb as my main workhorse reverbs but really like the sound of both Valhalla Room and CSR. I've been trying out the demos a fair amount and I think VR sounds more natural and realistic but am wondering if CSR would sit better in a mix.
I definitely can't afford both despite them being ridiculously cheap as I need to buy Sample Modeling Big Band for some arranging work coming up.

Hmm decisions!!

I think you can make either of them sit well. I don't believe you will have a problem with either in that regard. I personally think VRoom just sounds better... more beautiful... more naturalness... but they are both good and you should decide which one you like better. If I found them to be a toss-up sonically, I'd still get VRoom cause development is more active.

[Kontrast13]

ValhallaRoom, hands down. Great sounding software. Support Sean, he needs the money to afford rehab after all that caffeine ;D

[hibidy]

I have to +1 that sentiment. Nothing against CSR, but in fact, Sean is pretty active and up to date. This is NOT A KNOCK ON IK. I'll repeat that. This is NOT A KNOCK ON IK! But IK is behind on things like x64 whereas Sean has gotten all that up to speed. "We are working on it" isn't quite the same for some.

Cheers to whatever you like, I think you should buy all the verbs, but wallet strength can be a detriment.

[kmonkey]

Calling company (which sell pretty good product for 41$-49$) to Sell and deceive?

For 41$ And you a actually get pretty darn good plugin..

Some people seems to be really poor..

Only yesterday i paid more for sushi and few drinks with my friends..

F*** what a cruel world for companies which sell plugins..i feel sorry for them..

[hibidy]

Why? They made their business model, they have their strategies in place and they made their bed.

KVR is a somewhat reasonable gauge. It's not that IK's price is the deterrent, it's the fact that CSR is a fairly dated plug. Does it sound good? According to many yes. So what is the problem? Well, it hasn't been updated in quite some time. Saying "we are working on it" doesn't sit with some because some others are up to date.

Forums, where people speak their minds

[standalone]

Ask yourself why there is so much open hostility.

Because of guys like you.

[mandolarian]

Forums, where people speak their minds

Or lose them.

[hibidy]

Forums, where people speak their minds

Or lose them.

I'd say consider mine lost, but then it was never there in the first place

[hibidy]

Ask yourself why there is so much open hostility.

Because of guys like you.

Pitchforks sharpened?

[Acid Mitch]

Pitchforks sharpened?

Nah, we're using blunt pitchforks 'cos it hurts more

[dickiefunk]

Thanks for the advice guys. I am planning to go all 64bit later this year so that would be a consideration. Future development would also be a factor.
As I said I like both for different reasons but am secretly hoping IK will overhaul the algorithm's. I'm guessing if IK did ever overhaul these the update wouldn't be free!?
Sean at Valhalla seems to be constantly improving and adding to VR and I think he has made an exceptionally high quality reverb for such a low price! Not sure if there are any plans to develop VR even further?

[antithesist]

Man, there are some mean mofos up in here. Look, I've got a clear conscious. I've deceived no one. These guys know what they're doing and what they've done. I just spotted the contradictions and posted about it. They've got to live with the deception. This isn't really even about CSR. Again, I bought it too. I didn't need it, but I wanted it when it first came out when it was $400 or more. I've got so much better it's not even funny. I think back then they said "modeled after some of the most famous hardware reverb units of all time," too.

It turns out they're most likely all leaner, less accurate versions of reverse engineered Lexicon PCM91 algorithms, some of which were released for the Scope platform in their full glory, before the developer determined a security risk to the code. Actually there's not much wrong up to here other than the contradictory tag line I quoted. The PCM91 is one unit, and while it's nice, it's not some of the most famous reverb units of all time. It's probably not even one in the overall scheme of things. I think it was actually pretty new around the time CSR came out. The 90 was from a couple years before.

Now, they could say that the 90/91 were modeled by Lexicon after said most famous reverb units of all time, I suppose. So, then you've got a dumbed-down model of a model of a model of models. Maybe. Ever play telephone? Some of those usages of the word model might well be more accurate as influence. Now it's implied that they're pretty much just like the Lexicon Native PCM bundle, but they're only fifty bucks instead over a grand just because they don't say Lexicon, not to mention riding on the developer's more recent coattails with the SSL and Relab references even though this is from so many years before.

Why would anyone even bother to make another reverb if CSR is so damn good? We don't ever need any better. Ever. Anyway, there's more to it than that. They haven't denied a lick. You guys might test and compare all this stuff, but I'll bet you they sell more to kids that actually believe what they read, the ones that can read, that is. Y'know, thinking that it's like the truth and suchlike. CSR is what it is and pretty much what it always has been (no has-been pun intended, well, maybe a little). I rest my case and don't waste your breaths anymore insulting me. I couldn't care less, or I could care less in the sarcastic sense. In other words, I don't care.

I'm also ready to retract given evidence to the contrary. I'll bet they're laughing all the way to bank as I'd also wager that this controversy made for more sales rather than less. I should have at least got my dang copy for free. Sure, I was ticked off about it and extended that to the ever popular IK KVR glad-handers. They get no apologies, but I have few hard feelings either. I wouldn't ever buy a used car from one of them in their next most probable lines of work. That's fo sho. Who needs an old Fiat station wagon even if it's supposedly modeled after some of the most famous Italian sports cars of all time?

[simesf]

Man, there are .. (yet another self righteous rant)

I can't speak for any one else on this thread but I get the feeling that it should be rechristened 'the antithesist endlessly moaning about all manner of petty grievances thread'.

I've bought several IK products over the years for which I've paid good money so I'm a paying customer and no fanboy. I've found their products to range from good to excellent (and CSR I find excellent.) Yes, I do find the endless marketing I see all over the net to be tiresome but IK are no worse than many companies for this and much better than some. I also think that, on this thread, their representatives have handled themselves with considerable restraint and diplomacy in the face of what appears to be your personal crusade to expose their terrible crimes against humanity oh come on get over yourself. You are increasingly reminding me of that 7 year old in the playground that the teacher scolds to stop telling the same tale over and over again.