Is ReFX Nexus2 worth getting?

[ChestRockwell]

i don't know what's wrong with presets. i want to MAKE MUSIC, not build a piano.
i LOVE having LOTS of presets; THEN i can tweak as needed. i want to open Logic, and make a song, not design a bass sound.

for many people, that's the deal. make music, not have to first spend an hour making a sound...

whatever works.

That's a fairly decent take on the situation. If you happen to fall into this category, then it's absolutely perfect for you.

[shponglefan]

I've never understood how there is no shame in using sample libraries for real instruments, but do the same with synths and suddenly you get silly elitists looking down their noses at it.

It's like some people turn making synth sounds into a fashion statement... which is just dumb.

[highkoo]

i don't know what's wrong with presets. i want to MAKE MUSIC, not build a piano.

That's a fairly decent take on the situation. If you happen to fall into this category, then it's absolutely perfect for you.

I agree.
I have no disrespect for that way of working. Fukk, I am jealous of it more every day. Not everyone wants to program synths. Thats cool. Thats fine. I... cant play any stringed instruments, or juggle, or cook. No ones mad at me. Realizing what you want/need and going after it is nothing to give or take shit for.

I just dont get the implication that Nexus is on par with something like Zebra, in any fukking way. Except price. Ha, well, almost;

Nexus: $299
Zebra2: $199

How in the hell do they sell this thing?
How many sample packs could be bought for $300?

Every f**king time Nexus is mentioned there's some elitist twat coming along and insulting those lame preset users.

I will accept 'twat', but Im not exactly an elitist man.
And I did not say lame. I said lazy. As in, not putting in as much effort for the sound. Is that inaccurate?
Well, I guess you guys do have to pony up the extra $100....

Logically a preset user is actually more likely to have more impressive sounds in the end. And in my mind that is the goal for a Nexus user; Good sounds. So you win! Why be offended?
Its like youre offended that you might be viewed to have lost a game that you do not play.
If I went and bought a cake, and a baker was in line behind me and started talking shit about my cake baking skills, I wouldnt really get offended, cuz I eat cake, I dont bake it.
Anyway, very sorry to be the bubble burster, in this thread.

It's like every Omnisphere user *never* just uses the built-in presets. Or the zillion Massive/Zebra banks are never, ever bought.

So you think that those synths are just as likely/suitable to be used as preset machines like Nexus?
Well ironically that kind of sums up my feelings.
I basically think its crazy that Massiv/Zebra/Omni/etc are being compared to Nexus.
I think its crazy that for some people hearing a dope sound come out of Zebra and hearing a dope sound coming out of Nexus are the same thing.

Honestly, its when I realize prices that I really lol and get the urge to post.
And I think Nexus threads need a catfish. Keeps you guys active.

I've never understood how there is no shame in using sample libraries for real instruments

Wait, there isnt?
At all?

[shponglefan]

I just dont get the implication that Nexus is on par with something like Zebra, in any fukking way. Except price. Ha, well, almost;

Nexus: $299
Zebra2: $199

How in the hell do they sell this thing?

This is one thing I will agree on, the price of Nexus2 seems very high for what it is. In fact, first time I went to the site and saw the "complete" price of over two grand, I thought it was hardware. The little pseudo-hardware rendering on their site made it look like they were selling a h/w rompler.

But then finding out it's only software, that seemed insane to me.

Compare that to something like Omnisphere, which at $500 many consider to be a pricey VST. But you get over 5000 patches (most of which are good quality), plus a huge sample library and synth engine in which to make your own sounds. Plus the various other things like their free iPad app, etc.

Seems like no contest to me where the value is...

Wait, there isnt?
At all?

Let's just say I've never seen anyone take flak for not hiring their own orchestra.

[mikedw]

I had neexus but sold it, the sounds are processed and can be easier to do a mix but I think many soft synths sound better Tone2, U-he, Arturia and so on...

[deathwish]

i don't know what's wrong with presets. i want to MAKE MUSIC, not build a piano.
i LOVE having LOTS of presets; THEN i can tweak as needed. i want to open Logic, and make a song, not design a bass sound.

for many people, that's the deal. make music, not have to first spend an hour making a sound...

whatever works.

Designing your own sounds is part of making ORIGINAL music.

[bronxsound]

i wouldn't be bothered too much being original or not if i could earn the descent money. and it seems that the ones who earn these days are not the ones who put originality as a priority.

N2 is a production workhorse. Being a rompler its main purpose is not sound design but sound delivery, which it does well. There are plenty options for sound design focused people around.

For me and many others it works and this is the actual measurement of its success.

[Brittlestem]

i don't know what's wrong with presets. i want to MAKE MUSIC, not build a piano.
i LOVE having LOTS of presets; THEN i can tweak as needed. i want to open Logic, and make a song, not design a bass sound.

for many people, that's the deal. make music, not have to first spend an hour making a sound...

whatever works.

Designing your own sounds is part of making ORIGINAL music.

Unless you've designed your own oscillators and filters though, it's not ORIGINAL.
And don't get me started on those frauds who play drums, violins, pianos and guitars built by other people, using amps and microphones they didn't spend years developing.
Who needs compositional skill when you can focus on knowing that a tiny minority of elitist hipsters know that the piece of shit you've just written has a bass sound you "made" using someone else's synth instead of using a preset.

[shponglefan]

Designing your own sounds is part of making ORIGINAL music.

Not really. Making original music is part of making original music. If a person is just using pre-fab loops and arps, then yeah, that's going to be less than original. But using random preset leads, pads, etc, doesn't make the music unoriginal anymore than using a particular guitar, piano, or other instrument.

[fisherKing]

crazy argument. i want to make music not be a sound designer. i doubt i'll go to hell for it...

i imagine 2 people who live on the same block. one dude spends the weekend designing an amazing pad on a synth plugin. the other guy makes a great song.

i'm aiming to be that other guy...

[bronxsound]

^ be their girlfriend. steal midi project from one and copy fxp from another. release a smasher later

[deathwish]

i don't know what's wrong with presets. i want to MAKE MUSIC, not build a piano.
i LOVE having LOTS of presets; THEN i can tweak as needed. i want to open Logic, and make a song, not design a bass sound.

for many people, that's the deal. make music, not have to first spend an hour making a sound...

whatever works.

Designing your own sounds is part of making ORIGINAL music.

Unless you've designed your own oscillators and filters though, it's not ORIGINAL.
And don't get me started on those frauds who play drums, violins, pianos and guitars built by other people, using amps and microphones they didn't spend years developing.
Who needs compositional skill when you can focus on knowing that a tiny minority of elitist hipsters know that the piece of shit you've just written has a bass sound you "made" using someone else's synth instead of using a preset.

So now making your own presets is considered hipster? what a laugh riot
Playing drums, violin, guitars is completely different because the way the instruments make sounds in real time can vary greatly depending on their amp setup, space, and the way they play their instruments. In a virtual environment with a midikeyboard presets all sound the same.

[zircon]

A piano is a piano. Nobody listens to solo piano music and says "wow, that piano sound is so unique and different." They only listen to the composition. While some acoustic instruments can be played or treated in unique ways, by and large they produce a certain set of timbres and that's it. Presets are just keyboard timbres. It's how you write with them that matters, and the context.

[dune_rave]

Worth getting x,y,z ?
This question has no sense, because it's all subjective.
If your oppinion is that a synth has great values others still believe that it's totally shit. Who is right?

If you can't decide whether it's good or not, it's simply not for you.
If you have already 5-10 instruments, maybe you should decide not buying more.

And my oppinion : perhaps WusikStation can be good for you, if you really want some sample based monster...

[shponglefan]

So now making your own presets is considered hipster? what a laugh riot
Playing drums, violin, guitars is completely different because the way the instruments make sounds in real time can vary greatly depending on their amp setup, space, and the way they play their instruments. In a virtual environment with a midikeyboard presets all sound the same.

Presets can still sound different depending on how they are processed in a mix (EQ'd, etc), if they have FX applied to them, etc.

And I don't think anyone is ragging on anyone for doing sound design. But rather it's the attitude of people with this elitist view that using presets is "unoriginal". It's dumb because nobody else, esp. the average listener, cares. All that matters is whether the end result is good.