Any Tone 2 Saurus users?

[GeorgeZ]

Ye, I have SM as well (...and it!), they are completely different beasts though right? If you mean purely complexity wise from a technical parameter number point of view, ye sure, but for the sound it self, and the variety it offers (and the complexity and luchness of the sound, not the technical broohaha per se), it's right up there in quality I think. Just my 2c of course.

[xamido]

Agree with you for that. The sound quality is never a doubt for me with saurus.

[cyberheater]

I like the Saurus synth.
Let speak the Saurus for itself I made a Song with Saurus as main synth.
Here it is:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 99#4909399

Nice. Sounds very analogue and detailed.

[pdxindy]

I use it all the time now. I like it. The sound is not like diva, but it's a very efficient synth. Fun to program for sound that musically works. Not for hardcore sound designer though.

I think it is an intriguing synth for sound designers. Interesting set of controls and a lot of functionality in the mod matrix. I wish it used more cpu in exchange for better sound quality though. Push the synth and the sound easily falls apart. Stay in the safe range and it is fine. Some people will not care about that, but I like to explore the edges.

[mcnoone]

I like the Saurus synth.
Let speak the Saurus for itself I made a Song with Saurus as main synth.

Hey there...that track sounds freakin amazing.
Thanks for that.
Yea it's a cool synth, but I'm so overloaded now, I can't think of getting anything new for a while.

[pdxindy]

I like the Saurus synth.
Let speak the Saurus for itself I made a Song with Saurus as main synth.
Here it is:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 99#4909399

Excellent track!

[brok landers]

>snip< And of course Jarre used real analog synths so that comparison is a bit unfair maybe.


Ingo

not really. you could quite convincingly reproduce the original track with saurus. only one exeption: due to the lack of a phaser in saurus the eminent phaserstrings can't be done from within saurus (also the typical bbd chorussed strings themself are a bit more on the hard side). but all the other sounds you could easily reproduce with saurus. you could start f.e. with using only one osc for the lead or disable the chorus.

[Lotuzia]

i only tried the demo weeks ago.
it sounded good and i would have bought it in an instant if i didn't have Diva allready and if the demo had let me engage with it a little more to fall for it.
i'm not aware of any other softsynths with 0 delay feedback filters apart from Diva and Saurus. so for me these are the only 2 synths worth having..
was the Saurus price revised? i thught it was much more than 99$...at that price there's nothing else worth having that i know of (unless u wanna hear that awful plasticky smudged shaping of yesteryears softsynth filters).

Just fyi Xils-Lab synths have 0 delay feedback filters for 3 years.

Having said that I'm out, and will stay out, of this thread about Saurus .......

[hakey]

I thought the nonlinearity with filters was due to feedback behaviour.

There's exceptionally tricky behavior with multiple components, each with nonlinear features, and with feedback from the output back into the original input, and calculated at 0-delay. This is a lot of conditions but meeting them leads to impressive results. Analytically the domain isn't simply the input signal anymore, or the 1-delay case of the input plus the previous output, but input plus something essentially functional. So mathematically the challenge is due to feedback behavior with nonlinear components, but there are less challenging / less computationally intensive ways of doing things where nonlinearity is not so integrated with feedback.

From the realization that the domain is more sophisticated than it used to be, theory around differential equations offers a lot of different ways to move forward, but no panacea. There are different classes of problems. I'm assuming Diva's filters (other than the MS20 or one revision of MS20, which were exceptionally plausible to solve symbolically due to low component count, I think Urs mentioned) are constructed to be the type that can be brute-forced with numeric methods - successive approximation schemes - but describing that in detail is beyond me.

So that's a yes?

[Bronto Scorpio]

>snip< And of course Jarre used real analog synths so that comparison is a bit unfair maybe.


Ingo

not really. you could quite convincingly reproduce the original track with saurus. only one exeption: due to the lack of a phaser in saurus the eminent phaserstrings can't be done from within saurus (also the typical bbd chorussed strings themself are a bit more on the hard side). but all the other sounds you could easily reproduce with saurus. you could start f.e. with using only one osc for the lead or disable the chorus.

+1

This album was done entirely on freeware synths (and a Small Stone phaser for the strings iirc) 4 years ago for example: http://www.4-3-3-4.de/index.htm

Sounds absolutely convincing imo. Today the Small Stone could easily replaced with ArtsAcoustic Big Rock for example.

Cheers
Dennis

[olikana]

Just fyi Xils-Lab synths have 0 delay feedback filters for 3 years.

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not true, and last time i checked they still don't.
keep enjoying of your plasticky zaps

[ariston]

Just fyi Xils-Lab synths have 0 delay feedback filters for 3 years.

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not true, and last time i checked they still don't.
keep enjoying of your plasticky zaps

You forgot to

[Lotuzia]

Just fyi Xils-Lab synths have 0 delay feedback filters for 3 years.

.......

not true, and last time i checked they still don't.
keep enjoying of your plasticky zaps

How comtemptuous .....

I would have liked to ask you "how did you checked them" cos I just think you dont have the first clue or knowledge of how to check if a filter is 0df or not, but I'll just leave it like that, as it's a Saurus thread.

Oh yes .... and

Now back to Saurus. And whatever you answer I won't be in this thread again. This was just to try to share some true information. And its done.

[Mogular]

I remember Urs posted the method of testing if a filter has zero-delay feedback, but I am stuffed if I can find it. Can someone please enlighten me?

[Ingonator]

>snip< And of course Jarre used real analog synths so that comparison is a bit unfair maybe.


Ingo

not really. you could quite convincingly reproduce the original track with saurus. only one exeption: due to the lack of a phaser in saurus the eminent phaserstrings can't be done from within saurus (also the typical bbd chorussed strings themself are a bit more on the hard side). but all the other sounds you could easily reproduce with saurus. you could start f.e. with using only one osc for the lead or disable the chorus.

I already mentioned that i did not do 1:1 copies of all sounds. I fact only the Brass was specifically designed for Oxygene 4.
The other sounds were done before i had the idea to use them in that track.

BTW my quote you mention was about the fact that i used an almost "dry" song except for internal FXs and a Compressor. opposing to that Jarre first used real analog synths and second heavy processing in his track. In the Abacab example i used an EQ too so it sounds slightly different.


Ingo