KVR Audio

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Sat May 05, 2012 9:27 am

Understandably, some other plugin developers "don't like" it!

e.g. the guy from Hamburg-Audio.de in this German video - w_w_w.musotalk.de/video/u-he-diva-11-und-die-top-news-der-woche/

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Sat May 05, 2012 9:31 am

zvenx wrote:
I guess cpu usage is an oft complaint.

rsp

+1

I still can't really use it, even after that last updated demo was released.

I know I have an older PC, but I can run my other synths easily with multiple instances.

It does sounds great though.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat May 05, 2012 9:35 am

zerocrossing wrote:I think all you need to do is notice the constant steady stream of chatter about Diva to know it's the bomb, as the kids say. Now, notice it's newest competitor Saurus. Months of pages and pages and pages sparked by a "win the software" contest. Very clever marketing, but a few days after the release the talk about it has totally dried up.

Maybe this is because some people (including me) just started working with Saurus instead talking about it the whole day...
If you search for some news you could also check the official Tone2 forum:
http://www.tone2.org/forum/index.php
In the mean time i also got ElectraX BTW.

Anyway like i already mentioned 10 or more times i love both Diva and Saurus and the new Diva update is a big step forward in terms of CPU use. About the sound quality there is no doubt from my side.
Anyway it's not really the general CPU use that is reduced that much (even if there are some improvements too), it's more the fact that a single instance does use Multicore CPUs in a more efficient way.

To be honest besides the fact that Diva sounds great indeed the permanent talk about how cool Diva is and how "crappy" other synths are in comparison slowly starts to be a bit annoying IMO.

Ingo

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:21 am

Ingonator wrote: Anyway it's not really the general CPU use that is reduced that much (even if there are some improvements too), it's more the fact that a single instance does use Multicore CPUs in a more efficient way.

Ingo

For the high cpu type presets (crank the resonance with noise for example) there is a very significant cpu reduction even with multi-core off. Something like 20-30+% less cpu.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:29 am

pdxindy wrote:
Ingonator wrote: Anyway it's not really the general CPU use that is reduced that much (even if there are some improvements too), it's more the fact that a single instance does use Multicore CPUs in a more efficient way.

Ingo
For the high cpu type presets (crank the resonance with noise for example) there is a very significant cpu reduction even with multi-core off. Something like 20-30+% less cpu.

I know that already but for having the full benefit from the new update you need a Multicore CPU and best one of the new ones with i5 or i7.

Ingo

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:35 am

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:35 am

Ingonator wrote:for having the full benefit from the new update you need a Multicore CPU and best one of the new ones with i5 or i7.

Noticed a big improvement on my geriatric Q6600, even without using the multi-thread option.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:43 am

Ingonator wrote: For having the full benefit from the new update you need a Multicore CPU and best one of the new ones with i5 or i7.

Computers are so cheap and powerful these days and we're getting closer to where Ray Kurzweil predicted we would be at this time in history...

When you sit back and consider just how much bang for the buck we are getting compared to the "old days",it's ridiculous and we should all be down on our knees singing hallelujah

To replace Diva back in the "dark ages" you would have had to have bought a big bundle of analog synths and for that pleasure you would have paid out more pesos than the price of a posse of palomino ponies

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:44 am

U-he is very clear that Diva requires the latest processors for the best performance, so IMO CPU use isn't really an issue, my issue is I don't have that great of a machine. This is the same as when a new game comes out that requires the best of the current video cards to get the best performance. It shouldn't be surprising and the payoff is really great sound. Especially given the target market of professional musicians and producers, requiring an up to date PC is an understandable requirement. Even on my old core2duo it is not that bad, especially if you use draft for playing and best for rendering, and freeze tracks religiously. My machine actually has more issues with RAM on some plugins that it does handling most patches in Diva. I knew what I was getting into though using an older PC, I was duly warned my U-he

just need to get me some i5 or i7 love sometime soon.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:58 am

digitalboytn wrote:
To replace Diva back in the "dark ages" you would have had to have bought a big bundle of analog synths and for that pleasure you would have paid out more pesos than the price of a posse of palimino ponies

No kidding, just to get Diva's effect section alone would have been a wad of cash way back when. Of course this is true with so many plugins, but the point is well taken. A new $600 computer would run vst plugins including Diva really well. In 1984 I paid $1000 or so for a one-voice, out of tune sh-101 with no memory and no midi. We really are spoiled when we get to complain about how insufficient our software is nowadays

of course I loved that sh-101...

I remember getting pedal effects and how expensive tit could be for just one mono, noisy effect. Now we get so many free high quality effects we don't appreciate maybe because they come so easy to us. Walking 5 miles in the snow to school builds character

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:06 am

braj wrote: No kidding, just to get Diva's effect section alone would have been a wad of cash way back when. Of course this is true with so many plugins, but the point is well taken. A new $600 computer would run vst plugins including Diva really well. In 1984 I paid $1000 or so for a one-voice, out of tune sh-101 with no memory and no midi. We really are spoiled when we get to complain about how insufficient our software is nowadays of course I loved that sh-101...

http://www.montypython.net/scripts/4york.php Brilliant English humour..

MP: You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o'clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

GC: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!

TJ: Well we had it tough. We used to have to get up out of the shoebox at twelve o'clock at night, and LICK the road clean with our tongues. We had half a handful of freezing cold gravel, worked twenty-four hours a day at the mill for fourpence every six years, and when we got home, our Dad would slice us in two with a bread knife.

EI: Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, (pause for laughter), drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing 'Hallelujah.'

MP: But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'.

ALL: Nope, nope..

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:09 am

Nope, nope...

stimresp · Post by **stimresp** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:10 am

I wouldn't say that I don't like Diva. I have much respect for U-he synths and I understand that the filter design is quite innovative but I don't hear it. Probably my listening environment, or maybe I'm not pushing the filters enough. I still prefer the sounds and flexibility I get from Zebra2 and Ace.

Over time perhaps.

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Sat May 05, 2012 12:04 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:...it's time for something else, emulating the old, already known seems a bit redundant to me - but I'm sure Diva is great at what she's intended to do.

This! <--

I'm tired of emulations. Analog here, analog there

I'm interested in new, perhaps unheard, sounds and often like lofi digital crappiness.

I was really, really sceptical when Urs announced Diva. Even U-He fanboys are allowed to have their doubts sometimes

Until I got the first Diva beta...

It *really* makes a difference! All the other emulations sound almost the same with a few small differences here and there to me.
Sometimes I need some warm, analog-ish sounds here and there as a contrast to my other sounds. I now use Diva everytime I need something which is not too much "out there" or lofi than most of my other sounds are

Couldn't live without her anymore!

Regarding CPU usage. I have a really ancient PC and can only play most presets monophonically but that's not a problem here. Most host introduced something called "freeze" something like 10 years ago. Time to use that feature

I have to use it on almost all tracks anyway....I was never able to run more than 1 VST + effects at a time so it doesn't really make a difference to me.

Cheers
Dennis

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat May 05, 2012 12:06 pm

Yeah I'm constantly freezing to save RAM anyhow

I don't mind freezing as it lets me render everything in Divine mode too

Does anyone NOT like Diva?