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aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu May 03, 2012 9:06 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
matteogk wrote:Simon, I'm learning a lot studying your patches. In Iris I can see better than in other synths (your Absynth, Kontakt, Alchemy works) what is your intention in processing samples and designing a patch. This is just to say how much I'm grateful for the chance. THX!!!
And I am grateful for your support and the great feedback I am getting from all the soundseekers out there - what great times we live in - audiowise that is -

I certainly agree with Simon's patches - with some of the material that comes with Iris less so. I like some of the sounds but I feel their sound designers often did not make best use of what Iris can do. For examples many of the patches just seem to be someone creating a pretty picture or pattern with the tools and have no correspondence to the sonic landscape. Consequently I'm finding that with a lot of the material completely removing the selections does little to change the sound because what we are largely hearing is just the sample being played back. Personally I'm finding myself remaking a lot of the patches myself because of this. With Simon's patches though he has really made an effort to use the tools as they were intended to isolate fragments of sound within the larger sample to find and create something new.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu May 03, 2012 9:41 am

aMUSEd wrote:
I certainly agree with Simon's patches - with some of the material that comes with Iris less so. I like some of the sounds but I feel their sound designers often did not make best use of what Iris can do. For examples many of the patches just seem to be someone creating a pretty picture or pattern with the tools and have no correspondence to the sonic landscape. Consequently I'm finding that with a lot of the material completely removing the selections does little to change the sound because what we are largely hearing is just the sample being played back. Personally I'm finding myself remaking a lot of the patches myself because of this. With Simon's patches though he has really made an effort to use the tools as they were intended to isolate fragments of sound within the larger sample to find and create something new.

Thank's Stephen - yeah, that's the whole point about Iris - using it as a mere sample player is not happening as it's sample player-features are much too limited imo, but the spectral resynthesis part is happening! Also I had to learn myself what kind of samples work best in Iris, if you don't have much to choose from within a sample then altering, transforming it will not be very exciting, so samples with a rich spectral content or/and clear harmonics within one single note will yield good results (e.g. try isolating overtones from a low piano or cello note - drawing transitions between the harmonics, or only drawing tiny spots into each overtone successively until you have a dense punctual sort of texture).

rj0 · Post by **rj0** » Thu May 03, 2012 7:39 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Thank's Stephen - yeah, that's the whole point about Iris - using it as a mere sample player is not happening as it's sample player-features are much too limited imo, but the spectral resynthesis part is happening! Also I had to learn myself what kind of samples work best in Iris, if you don't have much to choose from within a sample then altering, transforming it will not be very exciting, so samples with a rich spectral content or/and clear harmonics within one single note will yield good results (e.g. try isolating overtones from a low piano or cello note - drawing transitions between the harmonics, or only drawing tiny spots into each overtone successively until you have a dense punctual sort of texture).

Well described, and certainly important to keep in mind. Without processing/selections in Iris, one just has a resynthesis of the original sample, and, perhaps more importantly, the sounds one can create in Iris are purely *subtractive* (you select spectral/temporal subsets) from that sample (some other tools, non-Iris, let you add spectral content, but they lack many of the positives of Iris), although the layering of multiple samples in Iris lets you build up a composite. If the samples lack interesting spectral content, the results are probably going to be dull, so selecting samples with rich spectral content sounds like very good advice.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Thu May 03, 2012 8:12 pm

Try jamvox demo if you want to remove vocals or guitars (or extract them) from a track! Im sure you can find lots of cool sounds to use in Iris by doing so

For instance, im using it on This i Love by Guns n roses right now and it basically removes the song and solo (or extracts them) .. pretty cool to take the vocals and import in Iris

(not intending to promote a purchase of jamvox, not against it either

)

subtlearts · Post by **subtlearts** » Fri May 04, 2012 8:27 am

OK I guess I'm in, after lurking/following this thread for a few days while pondering. I have weighed the abilities and limitations of Iris and it seems right up my alley in concept (I do a lot of ambient-type work) and, well, I hope some more complete synth features will sneak in over time. I do enjoy the quick and responsive workflow, based on playing around with the demo a little, and I can see a place for it in what I do. So that will be a bit of money for Izotope and, I should imagine, a bit for Simon too...

Speaking of which, Simon, I just noticed on one of your sites that you're also in Berlin, just down the road a bit by the looks of it (I'm in Wilmersdorf)! Nice to know a that kindred creative spirit is close by...

My Ear Bleeds Wine · Post by **My Ear Bleeds Wine** » Fri May 04, 2012 11:00 am

hey all, first post on KVR, just found this thread through looking for Iris related information. Looking forward to checking out the whole site.

I am loving Iris, I felt that it has really clicked with me, the graphical interface and controls are so workable. I have found it very intuative and been able to get sounds that I am happy with, almost right away.

Sure there are some foibles, the Radius glitch (although not on all sounds) I think its spiking the CPU/ and or Memory. I use Cubase v5 and I have monitored the ASIO performance whilst using Iris in Radius RT mode and it spikes on the initial trigger and then settles back down to higher than what I could consider to be normal levels of ASIO performance for a VSTi (compared to Omnishpere for example).

The Spike causes a click which is normally audiable over the start of the sound, and changes to the settings do not seem to make any differance. I run an I7 930, 64bit OS/ Cubase and 6gig Memory and not had any other problems before. I am thinking about dropping in some more memory, maybe upgrading CPU but these are extreeme solutions and I am not 100% sure that it will solve the glitching!

I have read through some of the pages of this excellent thread, and found that other users have similar issues so I may wait to see if it's a optimisation issue.

Anyway I still love Iris and its not a massive issue for me

Here is a sound I made that I thought sounded cool.

http://soundcloud.com/my-ear-bleeds-win ... -collector

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri May 04, 2012 2:55 pm

subtlearts wrote:OK I guess I'm in, after lurking/following this thread for a few days while pondering. I have weighed the abilities and limitations of Iris and it seems right up my alley in concept (I do a lot of ambient-type work) and, well, I hope some more complete synth features will sneak in over time. I do enjoy the quick and responsive workflow, based on playing around with the demo a little, and I can see a place for it in what I do. So that will be a bit of money for Izotope and, I should imagine, a bit for Simon too...

Speaking of which, Simon, I just noticed on one of your sites that you're also in Berlin, just down the road a bit by the looks of it (I'm in Wilmersdorf)! Nice to know a that kindred creative spirit is close by...

Hey Tobias, a strong Berlin Group on KVR is cool

matteogk · Post by **matteogk** » Fri May 04, 2012 4:25 pm

My Ear Bleeds Wine wrote:...I am loving Iris, I felt that it has really clicked with me, the graphical interface and controls are so workable. I have found it very intuative and been able to get sounds that I am happy with, almost right away.

Sure there are some foibles, the Radius glitch (although not on all sounds) I think its spiking the CPU/ and or Memory. I use Cubase v5 and I have monitored the ASIO performance whilst using Iris in Radius RT mode and it spikes on the initial trigger and then settles back down to higher than what I could consider to be normal levels of ASIO performance for a VSTi (compared to Omnishpere for example)...

Welcome! I liked your first post on Kvr and your sample track!
I experience the same issue, which is certainly CPU related, as you say. Other samplers/synths in my machine configuration can use much bigger files (than only 60 sec. as in Iris) and do not give me glitch issues. So, God only knows if Izotope is following the thread...

Jake Jackson · Post by **Jake Jackson** » Fri May 04, 2012 7:22 pm

I purchased it. There does not seem to be an Izoptope forum on their site or elsewhere, so I'll post a set of smallish concerns, here:

1. The X-axis Freq indicator puts the numerals indicating freqs below the line that indicates where the freq begins. I think. There is plenty of room to expand the interface very slightly so that the numeral sits beside the line indicating its position. The current arrangement can get confusing at low freqs: look at the X-axis in the range of 10-30 hertz. Is it immediately evident if the numeral should correspond with the line above it, or below it? (What numeral does the line below 10 hertz correspond to?)

2. On the tool bar, when it's docked on the left side, the default state, the text "Tools" hides the 700 hertz numeral. One can detach the toolbar, but shouldn't have to just to see the numerals on the x-axis.

I do like what can be done with Iris.

fermin · Post by **fermin** » Sat May 05, 2012 2:03 am

a latch button for the keyboard would boost live tweaking and evolving soundscapism....

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Sat May 05, 2012 2:00 pm

There is at the bottom left, an arrow pointing to the right (play button)
just below the undo/redo, above the pitch wheel

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:24 pm

I recently thought about purchasing either Iris or Tone2 ElextraX. The price of ElectraX is 149 (incl. VAT) and the one of Iris 144 Euros (incl. VAT). finally based on the features, the sound and the "bang for the buck" i decided to get ElectraX which is a real synthesis monster (including the Resynthesis feature). Another reason was i already got Alchemy for Spectral synthesis even if it's a bit more complicated to handle than Iris.

If Iris gets further updated with more features i'll maybe have a look at it again later this year or in the next year.

Ingo

tony Smyth · Post by **tony Smyth** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:52 pm

Yes, Thats how I feel too. Great interface but its a bit lacking still, and mostly its results seem mostly ambient.Decided to pass on it for now.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sat May 05, 2012 3:56 pm

Ingonator wrote:I recently thought about purchasing either Iris or Tone2 ElextraX. The price of ElectraX is 149 (incl. VAT) and the one of Iris 144 Euros (incl. VAT).

I got it for 98€ here:

http://audiodeluxe.com/products/izotope-iris

... combining the introductory price and the "Make an Offer" deal.

I don't know how long the introductory price will be active. Yesterday was supposed to be the last day, but it is still on.

kmmcdonald · Post by **kmmcdonald** » Sat May 05, 2012 4:33 pm

When using Iris standalone, is there a way to get it to save the audio ASIO channel routing setting that I select? I find that I have to set it every time that I invoke Iris.

thanks

Keith

iZotope Iris