Does anyone NOT like Diva?

[ariston]

I have never understood how something being "over-hyped" has anything to do with its quality. The mere fact that something is hyped (your hype is another man's enthusiasm, btw) doesn't signify anything about the subject in question.

[LeVzi]

The only thing I don't like is the fact that anyone who goes against the grain seems to come under a barrage of BS to prove their opinions wrong.

This is false... YOU are getting responses cause you are making ridiculous claims about what others (majority of edm producers) like instead of just speaking for yourself. Lots of people in this thread said they didn't particularly like Diva and nobody responded at all.

But you are a manipulative person and have an agenda in this thread and people pick up on it.

How am I trying to manipulate people anymore than you are ? The topic stated straight are there any people who do NOT live DIVA, and yet it turned into yet another shrine to it. Exactly the same thing happened in the Saurus thread which ended up over 100 pages , the majority was pointless drivel about who said what blah blah blah.

I don't like the fanboy mentality that you and others show, and the blind arrogance shown to those who have a differing opinion. It's not for you to try to change the mind of someone who doesn't like something you don't, you just need to stfu and accept what's said. Maybe even learn from it.

If you think I have some underlying agenda here, do you see me trying to ram Saurus down people's throats ? No. It's a thread about DIVA, and I respect that so much as I wouldn't do it. Unlike others.

[@midnight]

Would you guys say my laptop is fast enough to run Diva without it being a "headache" ?

Windows XP 32-bit
Intel Core2duo 2.53ghz
3GB DDR3 Ram
320GB 7200 RPM Hard drive
Focusrite Saffire 6 USB
Running REAPER @ 24/44.1khz

[Urs]

I never said it was a bad product, but I gave my critical impression that it is imo over-hyped not to my ears not better than other products.

Fair enough. But how many other products do you know that let one swap replica of vintage synths? Those would be the ones to compare her to, no?

Thing is, I don't know any that are available as VST/AU plugin.

[LeVzi]

I have never understood how something being "over-hyped" has anything to do with its quality. The mere fact that something is hyped (your hype is another man's enthusiasm, btw) doesn't signify anything about the subject in question.

It isn't, and something being overhyped is only a failiure if it doesn't live up to the hype. DIVA has lived up to it, so there cannot be any overhyping.

[LeVzi]

I never said it was a bad product, but I gave my critical impression that it is imo over-hyped not to my ears not better than other products.

Fair enough. But how many other products do you know that let one swap replica of vintage synths? Those would be the ones to compare her to, no?

Thing is, I don't know any that are available as VST/AU plugin.

Individually or as a whole ? Because there is a list of individual ones as long as your arm, but one that does them all, no, I can't think of any.

[Urs]

Would you guys say my laptop is fast enough to run Diva without it being a "headache" ?

Windows XP 32-bit
Intel Core2duo 2.53ghz
3GB DDR3 Ram
320GB 7200 RPM Hard drive
Focusrite Saffire 6 USB
Running REAPER @ 24/44.1khz

It may be borderline, I'm a afraid. I'd definatly try the demo version inside out.

[pdxindy]

so what is the adequat definition?

There is no exact definition cause people mean different things by those terms.

I would say Diva has a coherence that extends into a wider territory. Warm to me has to do with frequencies but also a lack of aliasing and sonic smearing. Turn up the resonance in Diva and the low end does not start to fall apart like a lot of synths and the high end coherence remains. The filters in Diva don't seem to smear the sound much at all. There are moments when I hear a sharp presence in a Diva lead sound that I just don't hear from other soft synths.

Diva sounds full and while I appreciate that at times I often like thinner sounds. So I have crafted lots of thinner sounds in Diva too. Even thinner sounds have something intriguing to me. I can push the synth and it retains a kind of musical fidelity into a wider area of sounds than most other synths.

I find Diva exciting in itself and also because it represents a new level of sonic quality and I look forward to a variety of synths in the future which have different types of synthesis also having that quality.

And it is totally fine if you are not excited by what Diva offers. To my ear, Diva offers something new and I would say that is basically a sonic fact. But whether that new thing is of interest to someone is entirely subjective. Nobody is an idiot or has bad ears if they don't like Diva, they are just following their own interests and that is exactly what they should do. It's all good!

[AKJ]

I have never understood how something being "over-hyped" has anything to do with its quality. The mere fact that something is hyped (your hype is another man's enthusiasm, btw) doesn't signify anything about the subject in question.

that's partly true and (other than it is the case with omnisphere) I do not think that the dev is guilty of creating that over-hype. However, over-hyped means to me: the hype is not justified by what the product delivers. If a product is good, some hype might be justified. But when I see holy-grail-claims and when demoing I get the impression: well, it's good but not so spectacular, I start thinking that this product is over-hyped and I might be intrigued to enter the discussion in order to add my critical view in order to represent a side which is missing in the discourse so that people can also hear voices not affected by the over-hype.

[Urs]

I never said it was a bad product, but I gave my critical impression that it is imo over-hyped not to my ears not better than other products.

Fair enough. But how many other products do you know that let one swap replica of vintage synths? Those would be the ones to compare her to, no?

Thing is, I don't know any that are available as VST/AU plugin.

Individually or as a whole ? Because there is a list of individual ones as long as your arm, but one that does them all, no, I can't think of any.

Sure, I know about some individual ones. I won't go about how close or not they're modeled, we didn't ever check that out (apart from a few analogue hardware replica)

Much of the work however went into harmonizing those models. Finding the right levels, creating coherent parameter ranges. That's a lot of work that a single one simply doesn't have to do.

Thus yes, I think a lot of the "hype" about Diva is also about the "marriage" of these synths in one enclosure.

[AKJ]

I never said it was a bad product, but I gave my critical impression that it is imo over-hyped not to my ears not better than other products.

Fair enough. But how many other products do you know that let one swap replica of vintage synths? Those would be the ones to compare her to, no?

Thing is, I don't know any that are available as VST/AU plugin.

I am sure you are right, because as the developer you will have made the market research before you put so much effort in your tool. However, as far as I am concred: i do not care much for the reproduction of vintage synths. I demoed Divas because I was interested if it were able to achieve interesting sounds that I could not create with other tools and was a bit disappointed. It is my personal impression - not more and not less.

[pdxindy]

Some find substractive synthesis boring and therefore neglect Diva (like myself) and some find it interesting and inspiring, the latter like Diva because she does that very well, that's about it, no matter how many pages this thread might reach.

Isn't that overly simple? I am not particularly a fan of plain subtractive synthesis. I like Diva cause of how it sounds not because it is subtractive. I also love Bazille, the new Chromaphone etc...

I get all these lovely non-linear responses from Diva that I don't get from other VA's... little unexpected sounds and nuances that make playing the synth feel like an instrument.

It is the same reason I loved String Studio from the first minutes of playing it. That quality doesn't have to do with subtractive as such.

Sorry, but I don't fit your generalization

[Urs]

But when I see holy-grail-claims and when demoing I get the impression: well, it's good but not so spectacular...

I think that's exactly then point. The synthesizers we modeled are not spectacular at all. When I first switched the Jupiter 8 on (which was a massive investment, most expensive synth we have), I was totally confused. It had nothing special at all. But then it also has one intriguing property: It never sucks.

This is a major part of it, as subtle as it is.

[Kriminal]

When I first switched the Jupiter 8 on...

you mean 4





im outta here

[digitalboytn]

This is a hot topic and Diva is certainly polarising the camps,but unfortunately it's getting a bit ugly

Let's not forget there's a lady present boys

But I do love this comment from Urs..

The synthesizers we modeled are not spectacular at all. When I first switched the Jupiter 8 on (which was a massive investment, most expensive synth we have), I was totally confused. It had nothing special at all. But then it also has one intriguing property: It never sucks.