Does anyone NOT like Diva?

[AKJ]

I get all these lovely non-linear responses from Diva that I don't get from other VA's... little unexpected sounds and nuances that make playing the synth feel like an instrument.

well, z3ta+ also has some non-linear modeling, see the picture here (or try the demo):

http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/z3ta/f ... layability

This is not to advertise z3ta+, just to show that there are other examples (maybe with a different approach than Diva). I am sure there are more.

[GruvSyco]

Thus yes, I think a lot of the "hype" about Diva is also about the "marriage" of these synths in one enclosure.

*cough* Triple VCO w/ BITE filter = *drool*

[wachimol]

Coming on here and seeing how everyone treats it like the second coming of christ does get old after awhile, but I have nothing against Diva. From what I've heard in demos it sounds amazing. I'm not likely to get it though because of the obviously high CPU usage, and the fact its 250 quid. Poor student is poor. :[

[AKJ]

But when I see holy-grail-claims and when demoing I get the impression: well, it's good but not so spectacular...

I think that's exactly then point. The synthesizers we modeled are not spectacular at all. When I first switched the Jupiter 8 on (which was a massive investment, most expensive synth we have), I was totally confused. It had nothing special at all. But then it also has one intriguing property: It never sucks.

This is a major part of it, as subtle as it is.

I am quite sure we can agree on this. I would never trade, for example, my Absynth for a Jupiter 8.

[zvenx]

is quid British pounds?
cause it isn't anywhere near 250.
rsp

[Kriminal]

the fact its 250 quid.

in GBP: ca. £138 including 19% VAT

[pdxindy]

The only thing I don't like is the fact that anyone who goes against the grain seems to come under a barrage of BS to prove their opinions wrong.

This is false... YOU are getting responses cause you are making ridiculous claims about what others (majority of edm producers) like instead of just speaking for yourself. Lots of people in this thread said they didn't particularly like Diva and nobody responded at all.

But you are a manipulative person and have an agenda in this thread and people pick up on it.

How am I trying to manipulate people anymore than you are ? The topic stated straight are there any people who do NOT live DIVA, and yet it turned into yet another shrine to it. Exactly the same thing happened in the Saurus thread which ended up over 100 pages , the majority was pointless drivel about who said what blah blah blah.

I don't like the fanboy mentality that you and others show, and the blind arrogance shown to those who have a differing opinion. It's not for you to try to change the mind of someone who doesn't like something you don't, you just need to stfu and accept what's said. Maybe even learn from it.

You are manipulative by making big generalizations about the majority of EDM producers and by saying that anyone who does not like Diva comes under attack. The first in unverified and the second is false.

Just state your opinion about the synth. But no, you say it right here. You are annoyed by people and so you are attacking.

I haven't tried to change anyones mind and lots of people on this thread have said they are not interested in Diva and they were not attacked or even responded to at all. You are the one attacking for the reason you stated. You do not like some peoples enthusiasm for the synth and you decide to punish them. How about dropping that and simply talking about the synth itself?

[Urs]

I never said it was a bad product, but I gave my critical impression that it is imo over-hyped not to my ears not better than other products.

Fair enough. But how many other products do you know that let one swap replica of vintage synths? Those would be the ones to compare her to, no?

Thing is, I don't know any that are available as VST/AU plugin.

I am sure you are right, because as the developer you will have made the market research before you put so much effort in your tool. However, as far as I am concred: i do not care much for the reproduction of vintage synths. I demoed Divas because I was interested if it were able to achieve interesting sounds that I could not create with other tools and was a bit disappointed. It is my personal impression - not more and not less.

Fair enough too.

We didn't do much market research, but we've bought and borrowed all the synths whose parts we modeled, because we love vintage synths. However, the current price of those is somewhere beyond 18000$ on recent ebay auctions. So we figured that those parts are still sought after, and we saw a chance to give people an affordable option to get a very, very similar sound.

[hakey]

z3ta+ also has some non-linear modeling, see the picture here

Which picture? And how does it show that z3ta+ uses nonlinear modelling?

[Urs]

But when I see holy-grail-claims and when demoing I get the impression: well, it's good but not so spectacular...

I think that's exactly then point. The synthesizers we modeled are not spectacular at all. When I first switched the Jupiter 8 on (which was a massive investment, most expensive synth we have), I was totally confused. It had nothing special at all. But then it also has one intriguing property: It never sucks.

This is a major part of it, as subtle as it is.

I am quite sure we can agree on this. I would never trade, for example, my Absynth for a Jupiter 8.

But then you might also agree that someone who is looking for a Jupiter 8 might be a happy camper with Diva then.

[digitalboytn]

But when I see holy-grail-claims and when demoing I get the impression: well, it's good but not so spectacular...

I think that's exactly then point. The synthesizers we modeled are not spectacular at all. When I first switched the Jupiter 8 on (which was a massive investment, most expensive synth we have), I was totally confused. It had nothing special at all. But then it also has one intriguing property: It never sucks.

This is a major part of it, as subtle as it is.

I am quite sure we can agree on this. I would never trade, for example, my Absynth for a Jupiter 8.

But then you might also agree that someone who is looking for a Jupiter 8 might be a happy camper with Diva then.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I was reading that post...

They'd be over the moon with Diva....

And it's all in the hybrid non-linearity

Why tote 3 big synths around when you can carry a laptop and an interface ?

Just the thought of that is amazing...

Absolutely impossible back in ye ol analog days

[braj]

[breakmixer]

I haven't bought Diva for these reasons...

1. Because I want to buy a Mopho firstly as I want to own a real analog, then I will be actually able to compare any VA's soundwise myself to the real deal, I'd rather save my pennies first for that.

2. I already own OP-X Pro II, I think Diva has a more solid sound but the CPU useage put me off, hence I'm going to try the 1.1. demo tonight.

3. I'm also waiting for D16's Lush-101 release to demo/compare with Diva.

4. I already own a Plugiator(Minimax/Pro-12/Proddesey) and the sound is very comparable to that. So I wonder if I need Diva.

5. Don't like the red Gui if I'm honest.

I'm really on the fence with it, if it were half the price/lower CPU it would be a no-brainer - I'd buy it.

I like it's concept, main issues are CPU and price(current affordability) for me...

[AKJ]

z3ta+ also has some non-linear modeling, see the picture here

Which picture? And how does it show that z3ta+ uses nonlinear modelling?

the picture of the performance section which shows the analog burst and analog drift knobs. As the manual explains:

"Burst: Filtered DC-Burst level.
This will create a "pop" on Note-On, mostly used to recreate old analog drum machine
sounds, or to add some punch to a program."

"Drift: Random detuning level.
This feature is commonly used to emulate the tuning instabilities in early analog
synthesizers.
The random detune affects every oscillator individually."

[Bronto Scorpio]

z3ta+ also has some non-linear modeling, see the picture here

Which picture? And how does it show that z3ta+ uses nonlinear modelling?

the picture of the performance section which shows the analog burst and analog drift knobs. As the manual explains:

"Burst: Filtered DC-Burst level.
This will create a "pop" on Note-On, mostly used to recreate old analog drum machine
sounds, or to add some punch to a program."

"Drift: Random detuning level.
This feature is commonly used to emulate the tuning instabilities in early analog
synthesizers.
The random detune affects every oscillator individually."

These features have nothing to do with nonlinearities though.

Cheers
Dennis