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Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:13 am

Well, sorry for the confusion, but by nonlinear elements I meant transistors and similar components that have a nonlinear transfer curve, and which reside in filters and amplifier stages. They distort the signal itself, not its timebase.

AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:28 am

Urs wrote:Well, sorry for the confusion, but by nonlinear elements I meant transistors and similar components that have a nonlinear transfer curve, and which reside in filters and amplifier stages. They distort the signal itself, not its timebase.

Hi Urs, I am not confused. I perfectly understood what you were explaining. What other contributers to this thread did not understand/accept is: I was referring to other non-linear phenomena (= tuning drifts) with the example of z3ta+.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:29 am

AKJ wrote:
Urs wrote:Well, sorry for the confusion, but by nonlinear elements I meant transistors and similar components that have a nonlinear transfer curve, and which reside in filters and amplifier stages. They distort the signal itself, not its timebase.
Hi Urs, I am not confused. I perfectly understood what you were explaining. What other contributers to this thread did not understand/accept is: I was referring to other non-linear phenomena (= tuning drifts) with the example of z3ta+.

That's cool. We've modeled some of that in Diva too.

JimmiG · Post by **JimmiG** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:50 am

I can't say I don't "like" Diva, but I have decided not to purchase it.

It's very demanding on the CPU, but it sounds great. However, unless you're just experimenting with the filter response at various extreme settings, there are plenty of synths (including Zebra and ACE and many others) that sound just as good in an actual mix, while using less CPU and being more flexible.

Instead, I'm hoping for more additions to Zebra which I purchased recently

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon May 07, 2012 9:02 am

AKJ wrote:I was referring to other non-linear phenomena (= tuning drifts) with the example of z3ta+.

nonlinear = change with time where that change is not arithmetic

is different to:

nonlinear = nonlinear dynamics

Nonlinear problems are of interest to engineers, physicists and mathematicians because most physical systems are inherently nonlinear in nature. Nonlinear equations are difficult to solve and give rise to interesting phenomena such as chaos [...] where simple changes in one part of the system produce complex effects throughout.

The latter is what's of interest here.

deathwish · Post by **deathwish** » Mon May 07, 2012 12:45 pm

braj wrote:Not everyone is an EDM producer

Go check the sections of this forum especially the 'Sound Design' section or any of the advertising for presets. Sadly, EDM seems to be what the majority of people coming to this site are producing and buying synths for.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon May 07, 2012 12:51 pm

deathwish wrote:Sadly

+1

Metanol · Post by **Metanol** » Mon May 07, 2012 2:16 pm

braj wrote:
deathwish wrote:Sadly
+1

Why so sad? Nothing wrong with EDM. Although Diva can be used in jazz, rock, reggae, oompah or whatever.
I dont like Diva at the moment, (but I am secretly in love), because I cant afford it. Even if I could, I'd have to get newer computer which I cant afford either. But maybe some day...

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Mon May 07, 2012 2:19 pm

deathwish wrote:
braj wrote:Not everyone is an EDM producer
Go check the sections of this forum especially the 'Sound Design' section or any of the advertising for presets. Sadly, EDM seems to be what the majority of people coming to this site are producing and buying synths for.

Maybe in the sounddesign area are more request for edm sounds, because this area has a fast movement in sounddesign, which makes it for the mass harder to recreate it.
For example in ambient it's not so fast moving with all the trend sounds and more and more complex/multilayered sounds.

Could be also a reason for the bigger "how to"-requests

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon May 07, 2012 2:22 pm

Metanol wrote:
braj wrote:
deathwish wrote:Sadly
+1
Why so sad? Nothing wrong with EDM. Although Diva can be used in jazz, rock, reggae, oompah or whatever.
I dont like Diva at the moment, (but I am secretly in love), because I cant afford it. Even if I could, I'd have to get newer computer which I cant afford either. But maybe some day...

Nah, not because there is something wrong with EDM, there just aren't as many banks available for most synths beyond that style. And actually I'm not really sad

Polybius · Post by **Polybius** » Mon May 07, 2012 2:35 pm

Gee whiz...you guys are to synths what Steven Hawking is to the universe. I mean that in the best way possible

I wonder what his sollution to non-linearities in virtual synthesis would be. Science meets art...now that'd be something.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Mon May 07, 2012 3:48 pm

Polybius wrote:Gee whiz...you guys are to synths what Steven Hawking is to the universe. I mean that in the best way possible I wonder what his sollution to non-linearities in virtual synthesis would be. Science meets art...now that'd be something.

Hawking lost the Black Hole War. If you ask the String Theorists, they'll simply say that the time non-linearities will be spread over the whole Horizon.

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Mon May 07, 2012 3:54 pm

standalone wrote:Nobody said that Diva does something new, only that it does it a lot better.

Oh cool. Can I use that in my signature, please?

SadPuppyBlues · Post by **SadPuppyBlues** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:24 pm

Metanol wrote:Why so sad? Nothing wrong with EDM. Although Diva can be used in jazz, rock, reggae, oompah or whatever.

Two things bug me about statements like that:

1) You know how forums for guitarists are packed with nothing but "virtuoso" worshipping middle american rockist types?
Nothing wrong with shred, or buck-toothed, patriotic, woman-throttling, overweight, racist sacks of dog shit. Except...

2) There's plenty wrong with EDM. Like how the artists have a strong tendency to strictly obey the formula of their preferred genre / subgenre. Or how a majority is just a metronome that eats presets and vomits up sidechain compression. Let's not pretend there's nothing wrong with EDM.

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:44 pm

pdxindy wrote:
AKJ wrote:so what is the adequat definition?
There is no exact definition cause people mean different things by those terms.

I would say Diva has a coherence that extends into a wider territory. Warm to me has to do with frequencies but also a lack of aliasing and sonic smearing. Turn up the resonance in Diva and the low end does not start to fall apart like a lot of synths and the high end coherence remains. The filters in Diva don't seem to smear the sound much at all. There are moments when I hear a sharp presence in a Diva lead sound that I just don't hear from other soft synths.

Diva sounds full and while I appreciate that at times I often like thinner sounds. So I have crafted lots of thinner sounds in Diva too. Even thinner sounds have something intriguing to me. I can push the synth and it retains a kind of musical fidelity into a wider area of sounds than most other synths.

I find Diva exciting in itself and also because it represents a new level of sonic quality and I look forward to a variety of synths in the future which have different types of synthesis also having that quality.

And it is totally fine if you are not excited by what Diva offers. To my ear, Diva offers something new and I would say that is basically a sonic fact. But whether that new thing is of interest to someone is entirely subjective. Nobody is an idiot or has bad ears if they don't like Diva, they are just following their own interests and that is exactly what they should do. It's all good!

Does anyone NOT like Diva?