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DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Mon May 14, 2012 5:28 am

uselessmind wrote:
Urs wrote: If Peter doesn't do it for whatever terms then somebody else might.
Comfirmed then. Looking forward to loading my Albino sounds into Zebra.

kelvyn · Post by **kelvyn** » Mon May 14, 2012 7:50 am

So far this thread has gone from Albino is dead in the water to the prospect of... a new lease of life in two years, maybe, might be, who knows, lets wait and see.
Both Rob and Peter seem like nice guys who are caught up in a teeny tiny little dispute

that seems to be working itself out with the help of this thread... Isn't that great!
All the ideas about cross grades and other synths being able to use the A3 presets are a little moot when all one wants is the same synth to work with whatever new OS is thrown at us, So I for one am hoping that the dust settles and that we can continue using Albino in the years to come as it has its own special place in a lot of peoples hearts and sound arsenal. Heck! I still love Steinbergs 'Virtual Guitarist' and NuSoftings 'DaHornet' and they are really dinosaurs.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:17 pm

GeorgeZ wrote:
braj wrote:
GeorgeZ wrote:Goodwill is irrelevant.
Not to me it means a lot actually. I'm not saying this in regards to Linplug or Rob Papen, just in general. I don't like to give my money to assholes.

My advice to all developers: don't be a dick.
By all mean, and I get exactly what you're saying. I did however specifically note that little bit quoted in a business context. Market share's a bitch
Anyway, that's the last from me on this... these kinds of things always seem to end in tears

In a business context, public relations=goodwill, it is totally relevant

Guido Negraszus · Post by **Guido Negraszus** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:20 pm

I think this Rop Papen thing could be easily solved. Why not offering ALL the original RP presets from Albino 3 as a 3rd party soundset for the new synth? All original Albino 3 users can either get it for free (since we already paid for them) or a small crossgrade price. This way we can continue using ALL our Albino sounds (especially all the 3rd party ones) and Rop will continue receiving money for future sales of the Albino 3 soundset. I think it's worth thinking about it.

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon May 14, 2012 1:24 pm

kelvyn wrote:So far this thread has gone from Albino is dead in the water to the prospect of... a new lease of life in two years, maybe, might be, who knows, lets wait and see.
Both Rob and Peter seem like nice guys who are caught up in a teeny tiny little dispute that seems to be working itself out with the help of this thread... Isn't that great!
All the ideas about cross grades and other synths being able to use the A3 presets are a little moot when all one wants is the same synth to work with whatever new OS is thrown at us, So I for one am hoping that the dust settles and that we can continue using Albino in the years to come as it has its own special place in a lot of peoples hearts and sound arsenal. Heck! I still love Steinbergs 'Virtual Guitarist' and NuSoftings 'DaHornet' and they are really dinosaurs.

I think of all the old classic hardware synths, imagine if they also expired because of OS updates. That's pretty sad. Not that I would expect a synth to be supported forever, hardware warranties expire and products are discontinued there too, just software is particularly prone to this, with the added absurdity that no actual 'wear and tear' is possible with the code itself. Some sort of universal compatibility wrapper might be good, so you could run any XP-capable (for example) VST inside any new OS, even allow cross-platform to whole new unrelated operating systems. Instead of every developer fighting to keep a dinosaur alive some collaboration between many for an open-source solution could be possible. I have to imagine developers love their children even when the reach old age, maybe they could be solicited to help too (pay some qualified volunteers in free software licenses perhaps?).

Happy Frog · Post by **Happy Frog** » Mon May 14, 2012 3:14 pm

My Albino is Registered at linplug, would like to hear more about a croddgrade "price" for Predator, always wanted that one or Blue love the lush sound their.

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Mon May 14, 2012 6:12 pm

Seymor Skinner wrote:I think this Rop Papen thing could be easily solved. Why not offering ALL the original RP presets from Albino 3 as a 3rd party soundset for the new synth? All original Albino 3 users can either get it for free (since we already paid for them) or a small crossgrade price. This way we can continue using ALL our Albino sounds (especially all the 3rd party ones) and Rop will continue receiving money for future sales of the Albino 3 soundset. I think it's worth thinking about it.

+1

Albino can live on and Rob can also take his filter concepts to the new synth. If this new synth would also have an Albino preset import he could save a lot of time creating presets for it...

there we have it - problem solved...

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Tue May 15, 2012 5:40 pm

+1 too

very honourable compromise IMHO

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Tue May 15, 2012 6:54 pm

Seymor Skinner wrote:I think this Rop Papen thing could be easily solved. Why not offering ALL the original RP presets from Albino 3 as a 3rd party soundset for the new synth? All original Albino 3 users can either get it for free (since we already paid for them) or a small crossgrade price. This way we can continue using ALL our Albino sounds (especially all the 3rd party ones) and Rop will continue receiving money for future sales of the Albino 3 soundset. I think it's worth thinking about it.

This is actually a very good idea...I would change the bolded part thusly - "All original Albino 3 users can get it if Linplug includes a small percentage within their crossgrade pricing, that goes to RPCX." This would certainly make the idea more attractive to RPCX, effectively buying out their interest in ALbino. Maybe that's what you meant by the "small crossgrade price".

I just don't see the same sales volume for Rob's Albino banks for the new synth as there would be for Albino users wanting to upgrade to the new synth if it loads Albino sounds... not much incentive there for RPCX IMO

But, this all depends on whether Linplug wants to throw RPCX a bone...since on another level Urs is right.... Linplug (or anyone for that matter) could design a plugin that loads ANY file format, even old Albino fxb/fxp. This is all above board and legal, as Urs states, since file formats are not "ownable".

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:03 pm

Urs wrote:and of course Peter won't bundle Rob's presets without his consent...

and of course Rob coud do his own synth importing Albino presets...

Or importing Octopus Presets!

Hello Blue2!

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:16 pm

I don't give a flag about Rob's patches.I just want to keep creating my own. Looks like that will still be possible for at least the next few years so I'm good to go......

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:18 pm

You could release Albino on the DVD for the Computer Music Christmas issue at the end of the year

aquar · Post by **aquar** » Tue May 15, 2012 7:34 pm

Rob Papen wrote:Hi guys,

I will never allow my preset to be worked in this new product.

You are being far too precious imo and have an inflated opinion about your relevance in the vst scene.
Actually you are starting to sound stuffy, political and selfish and ultimately there's something wrong with your logic.
Good luck Rob but I am guessing the majority of users really don't care that much about your presets.

1-2-Many · Post by **1-2-Many** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:36 am

@aquar No need for that - Rob's a top notch guy, and has contributed much to both plugin and hardware. You're way out of line.

braj · Post by **braj** » Wed May 16, 2012 2:52 am

VitaminD wrote:You could release Albino on the DVD for the Computer Music Christmas issue at the end of the year

+1

The end of Albino