Probably pretty basic, but I need to learn basics!
Cutoff from low to high using an LFO?
Flat Beat
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- KVRAF
- 1595 posts since 17 Nov, 2007 from Seattle, WA
Hard to tell, and there's a few possibilities. As you can hear, the cutoff starts high and goes low on that first note, ramp shaped, but then some next notes start low and go high. That's not consistent with common LFOs, so I wouldn't peg it as such. You can get modern softsynths to do that, but back when this song was made, very versatile software synths weren't really available. And hardware was more popular, while being pretty limited. And the producer was probably pretty novice. That's an assumption, but I'd bet money.
So no LFO. I'd call it possibly host automation, but more likely a sample getting triggered and triggered in reverse. In fact, back when this track came out, sampling was the go-to solution for most stuff, and it's potential was getting pretty highly utilized. Meanwhile, you can hear that the drum beat he's got going(with that little vocal clip in it) is a sampled break, which suggests he's more of a sample-oriented producer.
But let's say you wanted to do such a sound today. You don't have to do it like he did. You could use LFO's now, though host automation would probably be better. It's certainly more versatile. You can also hear some kinda distortion on the synth, but distortion has never been my strong suit, so I couldn't speculate on those specifics.
Else, any ole' saw through a lowpass filter will do the trick.
So no LFO. I'd call it possibly host automation, but more likely a sample getting triggered and triggered in reverse. In fact, back when this track came out, sampling was the go-to solution for most stuff, and it's potential was getting pretty highly utilized. Meanwhile, you can hear that the drum beat he's got going(with that little vocal clip in it) is a sampled break, which suggests he's more of a sample-oriented producer.
But let's say you wanted to do such a sound today. You don't have to do it like he did. You could use LFO's now, though host automation would probably be better. It's certainly more versatile. You can also hear some kinda distortion on the synth, but distortion has never been my strong suit, so I couldn't speculate on those specifics.
Else, any ole' saw through a lowpass filter will do the trick.
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- KVRian
- 508 posts since 6 Nov, 2009
I can't find the specific interview, but he said something like it took him two hours of just playing around on an MS-20.
http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2009/01/m ... er-puppets (different interview, but referenced in the 4th paragraph).
But yes, MS-20 in origin, then who knows what after (like sampling).
http://www.xlr8r.com/features/2009/01/m ... er-puppets (different interview, but referenced in the 4th paragraph).
But yes, MS-20 in origin, then who knows what after (like sampling).
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 218 posts since 15 Jan, 2011
Yep. I want to try this tonight. It isn't really a dubstep type wobble, but it is a kind of movement that I like and am interested in trying to reproduce to night.itsNano wrote:u talking about the bass which sounds kind of like a wobble?
I'll start with trying host animation, but that might be hard to get synced right.
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- KVRAF
- 1595 posts since 17 Nov, 2007 from Seattle, WA
That reminds me of another reason I think it's controlled via sampler. The hook where the note repeats faster is timed pretty linear, and unrelated to the tempo. This would be consistent with something akin to a value being pushed up or down - The sample retrigger time, or something akin. So it could be that he's just holding one note, and theres a ramp automation on loop/sample retrigger timer. This would work very similar to how an LFO affects sounds. Another way it could be said is that the loop length is getting decreased via automation. Whatever the settings are called on one's software/hardware, same LFO-like result.
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- KVRAF
- 4329 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
Boy, thats a classic. 
Id bet that he just recorded manual tweaking of the lfo speed. Then, the bits were sequenced and a slick bar was found.
The main bass loop does not sound like a synched lfo. And the fill where it 'stutters' doesnt sound like a sample retriggering/stuttering to me, it sounds like a sample of the lfo going faster. That makes me think that at some point there was manual tweakin going on, and that was chopped up and sequenced.
Id bet that he just recorded manual tweaking of the lfo speed. Then, the bits were sequenced and a slick bar was found.
The main bass loop does not sound like a synched lfo. And the fill where it 'stutters' doesnt sound like a sample retriggering/stuttering to me, it sounds like a sample of the lfo going faster. That makes me think that at some point there was manual tweakin going on, and that was chopped up and sequenced.
