Zero Delay Feedback Filter (How to test if your synth has a )- Xils-Lab White Paper -

[braj]

Hey I thought this wasn't a Xils thread I though it was all about 0DF and not some advertising blurb.

(I mean no offence to Xils whose only fault in my life is using those damn dongles. I would like to give you my business even if your reps are not my best friends)

[trimph1]

You know. I find everything coming out lately as fascinating.

The sounds each of the VST's can make are astounding. Each VST has their own quirks and quarbles. They each do things differently.

And that is the important part, for me. Difference..no hierarchy.

Just difference.

[braj]

You know. I find everything coming out lately as fascinating.

The sounds each of the VST's can make are astounding. Each VST has their own quirks and quarbles. They each do things differently.

And that is the important part, for me. Difference..no hierarchy.

Just difference.

+1 synthesizers, even the old funny ones that can't stay in tune, are cool. Freeware is cool, Synthedit is cool, its all good, only out stupid egos get in the way of all the fun.

[KBSoundSmith]

Hey I thought this wasn't a Xils thread I though it was all about 0DF and not some advertising blurb.

(I mean no offence to Xils whose only fault in my life is using those damn dongles. I would like to give you my business even if your reps are not my best friends)

Oh God, please don't reference that thread

But in a completely unsolicited and off-topic way, I'd like to throw some support out there for Xils Lab. I made a Diva vs Synthix thread a bit ago (obviously features/sound are very different; it's just I had narrowed a purchase decision down to those two), and I was very impressed with Synthix. I especially liked the way voice-management works, it's really interesting. And while layers are bit clunky currently, just a few minutes with the manual and a practice patch or two helps you appreciate its sound-design potential (especially when combined with the voice-management and the sequencer). I ultimately decided on Diva at the time (no regrets, love u-he synths), but Xils synths (esp. Synthix) are on my short list the next time I'm in the market for an instrument.

[Lotuzia]

Hey I thought this wasn't a Xils thread I though it was all about 0DF and not some advertising blurb.

(I mean no offence to Xils whose only fault in my life is using those damn dongles. I would like to give you my business even if your reps are not my best friends)

I did not advertise anything.

Its a 0df thread, I was just answering to an old friend, Mr Leras, who is friendly enough to visit us quite frequently, showing us his big love, even if he's a bit too shy to admit it.

Dongles, dongles ........ yes the future is bright !

[braj]

Hey I thought this wasn't a Xils thread I though it was all about 0DF and not some advertising blurb.

(I mean no offence to Xils whose only fault in my life is using those damn dongles. I would like to give you my business even if your reps are not my best friends)

Oh God, please don't reference that thread

But in a completely unsolicited and off-topic way, I'd like to throw some support out there for Xils Lab. I made a Diva vs Synthix thread a bit ago (obviously features/sound are very different; it's just I had narrowed a purchase decision down to those two), and I was very impressed with Synthix. I especially liked the way voice-management works, it's really interesting. And while layers are bit clunky currently, just a few minutes with the manual and a practice patch or two helps you appreciate its sound-design potential (especially when combined with the voice-management and the sequencer). I ultimately decided on Diva at the time (no regrets, love u-he synths), but Xils synths (esp. Synthix) are on my short list the next time I'm in the market for an instrument.

I was referencing this thread actually supposedly it is not an Xils thread so...

And they will be on my short list once they lose their dongles That's my only complaint, the synths look very interesting and I love that they chose some unusual ones to model their products on. If I were not interested I wouldn't care if they used dongles or whatever.

[braj]

It is extremely cool to have all these old keyboards available as emulations, I just got Lounge Lizard today, and was thinking if I had to have a real Rhodes, Wurli and all the organs and synths I have in software as real instruments, just the repair costs likely would be more than them all combined, not to mention the space to keep them all, and all those wires, probably hundreds in wires alone! I think the technical discussion here is fairly interesting, but the visceral feeling of just playing and hearing all the nice sounds a quality instrument makes is the ultimate point and goal for me, not exactly how they get made. I'm very happy all the geeks are about to worry about that though, so I can't complain.

[LeVzi]

Hmm, and who was the next guy? I don't think I've ever seen anything but an inflammatory post from you. Why not back off for once.

Then you haven't been looking very hard have you.

[KBSoundSmith]

Hmm, and who was the next guy? I don't think I've ever seen anything but an inflammatory post from you. Why not back off for once.

Then you haven't been looking very hard have you.

There was a recent thread where everyone was begging you to be quiet and stop making Tone2 look bad; didn't have to look very hard.

But I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. This is my last post with you in this thread.

[KBSoundSmith]

Hey I thought this wasn't a Xils thread I though it was all about 0DF and not some advertising blurb.

(I mean no offence to Xils whose only fault in my life is using those damn dongles. I would like to give you my business even if your reps are not my best friends)

Oh God, please don't reference that thread

But in a completely unsolicited and off-topic way, I'd like to throw some support out there for Xils Lab. I made a Diva vs Synthix thread a bit ago (obviously features/sound are very different; it's just I had narrowed a purchase decision down to those two), and I was very impressed with Synthix. I especially liked the way voice-management works, it's really interesting. And while layers are bit clunky currently, just a few minutes with the manual and a practice patch or two helps you appreciate its sound-design potential (especially when combined with the voice-management and the sequencer). I ultimately decided on Diva at the time (no regrets, love u-he synths), but Xils synths (esp. Synthix) are on my short list the next time I'm in the market for an instrument.

I was referencing this thread actually supposedly it is not an Xils thread so...

And they will be on my short list once they lose their dongles That's my only complaint, the synths look very interesting and I love that they chose some unusual ones to model their products on. If I were not interested I wouldn't care if they used dongles or whatever.

Yeah, I know you don't like dongles, but I think certain products warrant the inconvenience, and Synthix is one of them. You really owe it to yourself to try it. (And dongles really aren't so bad; but that's a discussion for another thread).

But back to the actual topic: does anyone know of any papers I might read on the topic, and on filter design in general? I'm not a programmer, but I do have an interest in how the technology works; my computer music classes, while oriented for composers, were very much on the technical side, and we often had to build things from scratch in Max/MSP and Csound. I have Curtis Roads' Computer Music Tutorial and cross-reference a bit from that, but that was a 1996 publication and I don't know what might be more recent and interesting to read.

[LeVzi]

Hmm, and who was the next guy? I don't think I've ever seen anything but an inflammatory post from you. Why not back off for once.

Then you haven't been looking very hard have you.

There was a recent thread where everyone was begging you to be quiet and stop making Tone2 look bad; didn't have to look very hard.

But I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. This is my last post with you in this thread.

Shows you didn't read it properly. And more good than bad came from that whole mess, put some old ghosts finally to bed.

[braj]

Hmm, and who was the next guy? I don't think I've ever seen anything but an inflammatory post from you. Why not back off for once.

Then you haven't been looking very hard have you.

There was a recent thread where everyone was begging you to be quiet and stop making Tone2 look bad; didn't have to look very hard.

But I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. This is my last post with you in this thread.

Shows you didn't read it properly. And more good than bad came from that whole mess, put some old ghosts finally to bed.

Not exactly. The last indication was that something WAS going on but then all the threads got locked. Anyhow, this is not the place for that discussion again. Bottom line, you didn't help matters there at all.

[braj]

Yeah, I know you don't like dongles, but I think certain products warrant the inconvenience, and Synthix is one of them. You really owe it to yourself to try it.

Yeah, not gonna happen But I'll be re-installing the CM PolyKB version again soon (I resolved some permissions issue that may have been crashing it) and possibly get XILS 3 LE if there is an upgrade path to the full version, and if it ever goes dongle-free then I may upgrade.

[pdxindy]

If there is no user war, then why are you always so keen to stick your oar in to any thread regarding anything other than a u-he product and bash it ? You stir it as much as the next guy. Even doing it in this thread, wind your neck in ffs, if you can't even hold a normal conversation.

Always so keen huh? Let's see... I just looked over the past handful of pages and I saw dozens of threads about different synths, the great majority of which I have not posted in. Of the ones I posted in there was no bashing of those synths.

So any actual look will reveal that your point is quite an exaggeration.

[pdxindy]

1/ Xils did not target Diva . Never. Why would we have ? Our instruments are obviously totally different : They sound different, they have many different features, and they offer a different vision of what can be a synthesizer.

Nobody was talking much about 0df Filters before Diva. You would not have posted this thread about 0df Filters if not for the success of Diva. This thread is a response to that success. It is an outcome of that success and that is what I mean by targeting. Perhaps referencing would have been a better word (though not quite right), but in either case, I have no problem with it. I do not find anything wrong with this thread (although there seems to be some disagreement whether this test is a reliable indicator which I do not feel particularly qualified to comment on). It is entirely reasonable for XILS to say hey, we also have 0df Filters.

I don't think XILS did anything wrong or really that there is a problem at all... I am refuting the idea that there is any problem or war going on. Just different people with different opinions and sometimes heated discussion about tech geekery. The usual kvr stuff.