KVR Audio

skitchy · Post by **skitchy** » Wed May 23, 2012 5:27 pm

@ZenPunkHippy

Now THAT would be something

JJBiener · Post by **JJBiener** » Wed May 23, 2012 6:00 pm

Win 7 did come up with a solution for me. When IE9 crashed, it said the problem was Adobe Flash and I needed to upgrade to the latest version. I was pretty sure I was on the latest version, but I did upgrade/install anyway. Then IE9 crashed again, and Win 7 said the problem was Adobe Flash and I needed to upgrade to the latest version. This kept happening until Adobe finally did update Flash and the problem went away.

It was for this and a myriad of other reasons that I switched to Firefox. Firefox doesn't crash like IE9, but it does seem to get lost a lot. I know I could switch to Chrome, but I am trying to get as far away from Google as I can. For a company who used to have the motto "Don't be evil", they have certainly become evil.

wwjd · Post by **wwjd** » Wed May 23, 2012 6:19 pm

robojam wrote:
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
I can't stand working with mac and all it's limitations
I use both OS X and Windows all day every day. I never feel limited by either OS.

Peace,
Andy.
Ditto. Can't see why anyone would think there were limitations.

Just depends what you do. In my line, I use a ton of tools and toys that don't exist on mac. Most noteworthy: networking tools and gaming

jethrobull · Post by **jethrobull** » Wed May 23, 2012 6:25 pm

NO! Never.................................

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:04 pm

wwjd wrote:Just depends what you do. In my line, I use a ton of tools and toys that don't exist on mac. Most noteworthy: networking tools and gaming

So how is that a limitation of the Mac? That's an issue with software developers.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:13 pm

lotus2035 wrote:Yup, Windows "help" is anything but.

yes. windows help does stop _exatly_ at the point where you really need it.
in other words, anything that the windows help does tell you, you should know right from the very start anyway, even as a novice, and _just_ beyond that point, where the most problems are located, it tells you that it couldn't help you. it's just a sad joke.

generally, if you want to use windows on a serious base, you have to know what you do. if you do, windows shouldn't make any problems at all, given you've set up windows and your machine based on your knowledge...
if you use mac, the beautiful thing is, that everything just works wondrously right out of the box. but, if there actually _is_ a problem that osx doesn't fix by itself, you're really fvcked, mostly even more than on windows. you really have to be a deep nerd to find problems under the hood of osx, as it's just not designed for you to do that yourself. it's a shiny endconsumer box.
that's why i left mac by the time osx came (next to the fact that i could never justify to swith to a new generation of computer and os that back then, when naturally _noone_ had any experience with it)... up to os9 you had certain general limitation and the ui di look horrible, but if you had a problem, you had exactly 3 places to look for the solution: controlfields, preferences and system extensions. if your problem couldn't be fixed usin these 3 locations, you most certainly had a hardware problem... that easy. if there ever was a problem on my macs during the 10 years i used them from 0s7x to os9x, there wasn't hardly _any_ problem i couldn't solve myself within minutes, as i was able to look under the hood of the system. with osx, all these benefits were thrown out of the window, in order to give the enduser a product that just works, so there's no need to take a look under the hood. but sadly, that doesn't always go that way... and then you're really stuck.

i myself like to drive a car where i am at least able to open the cowl, look under the hood and maybe fix something myself, as opposed to a mac that i only can drive, but have no way of really check beyond the cowl once there should be a problem. on the other hand it's really fun to use them. i have 2 macbooks, and i really enjoy/love them. but the serious things i do on my win systems.

however, in all fairness it has to be said, that macs mostly just do their job right out of the box, there rarely are any problems. but, if there actually are, you're pretty much stuck if you're not a real mac nerd.

two different concepts for a semiperfect world i'd say.

tropicalontour · Post by **tropicalontour** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:15 pm

Nope. Not ever. Not yet, anyway.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:27 pm

robojam wrote:
wwjd wrote:Just depends what you do. In my line, I use a ton of tools and toys that don't exist on mac. Most noteworthy: networking tools and gaming
So how is that a limitation of the Mac? That's an issue with software developers.

yes. and by that fact it's a problem for the enduser. he can use win, being shot down by all the (often tremendeously great) free stuff, or use a mac, having a machine that supports a fraction of the possibilities you have on win, is expensive and unnecessarily stylish (which is what you pay, too), but introduces a way more relaxed enviroment to work in. some say less is less, some say less is more...
i myself use best of both worlds... i often would wish for windows to finally support aliasses/shortcuts that support the subfolderstructures of the folder it is related to (like mac does and always did)... i'd love for windows to have something like "finderpop" and "default folder" from the mac, i've missed that since i left mac for musicmaking back then. or the fact that i can just drag my systemfolder onto another drive and boot it from there... it's just some really handy features that windoze ceases to support perservantly. but there's on the other hand all the great tiny (or not so tiny) freeware on windows, that i would always miss on mac...

so in the end i use both. one for this, one for that...

wwjd · Post by **wwjd** » Wed May 23, 2012 8:44 pm

brok landers wrote:or use a mac, having a machine that supports a fraction of the possibilities you have on win

that. Macs are fine working computers - we shouldn't bother with the ol MAC VS PC thing, but their lack of dominance makes them less coded for.
If mac lacks all the tools I need.... I'm to blame coders? That doesn't make sense. It is the MAC I am not using, not the coders. There are not as many viruses for MAC for the same reason, but that is changing.

Musically, I have been TRYING to focus on many of the plugins that are available on both systems, to work with my mac freinds but GOSH it is annoying how few good plugs are like that compared to the Windows collections. I don't want to work 4 times as hard and long to get the sound I can get in Windows tools.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed May 23, 2012 8:53 pm

And again, a harmless thread that has NOTHING TO DO WITH MAC turns into a "my computer is better than your computer" thread.

Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:21 pm

zerocrossing wrote:You're all wrong. Windows finds a solution to the problem every single time, except it's too embarrassed to admit that it's the problem.

hehehe

yeah, it just awkwardly tries to change the subject.

Actually that thing has helped me fix things a couple times. I don't have problems most of the time - maybe 1 or 2 program crashes every month or so, 'cause I run a lot of bleeding-edge opensource stuff (yes, I'm one of the hopeless idiots who uses GIMP and Inkscape development snapshots for daily production work...

) but when I'm using some of my 10 year old hardware peripherals I get the occasional hiccup, and that window tells me which one I need to uncerimoniously yank the cord from in the 'view details' window.

But actually finding a solution... no, it generally just tells me to try searching for a solution in the help and support, and I'm like, "isn't that what you just did you damned machine!?"

Ach, could be worse. When the McBook pro gacks while I try to open a new safari tab or send something to the printer or (gods forbid) do some actual work, I just restart the damned thing because clearly I'm "doing it wrong" -- Macs don't crash, if there's a problem it's obviously my fault!

JimmiG · Post by **JimmiG** » Thu May 24, 2012 6:28 am

kv331 wrote:One of the things I really like about MacOSX is it gives you a detailed report when a crash occurs. So much detailed that you get the call stack information so you know exactly where the program crashes!

So far, this has not been the case for Windows

It does, but you need to know where to look

The event viewer is usually enough to pinpoint the error. For example, when an earlier version of OPX-Pro was crashing my DAW, I was able to not only pinpoint the problem to OP-X Pro, but also determine which SE module actually caused the crash so they could fix the bug.

If you get a BSOD, Windows proceeds to dump the entire contents of your RAM at the time of the crash for you to analyze. Using Debugging Tools for Windows and the !analyze option, you can usually determine the exact cause yourself.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:21 am

[quote="Windows "Help""]
Is your computer plugged into the wall socket?
Does your mouse pad have rounded corners?
Do you have Microsoft certified desktop wallpaper?
Are both your feet touching the floor?
Have you taken the dog out for walkies?[/quote]

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:32 am

lotus2035 wrote:[quote="Windows "Help""]
Is your computer plugged into the wall socket?
Does your mouse pad have rounded corners?
Do you have Microsoft certified desktop wallpaper?
Are both your feet touching the floor?
Have you taken the dog out for walkies?

[/quote]

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so f**king glad I'm done drinking anything else for the night!

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Thu May 24, 2012 7:53 am

You'd have to be drunk to think it's that funny.

Has Windows ever actually FOUND a solution to your problem?