KVR Audio

skipscada · Post by **skipscada** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:46 pm

jupiter8 wrote:I doubt the cold has much to do with it. Sweden,Norway and Canada are pretty damn cold too most of the year.

Lots of audio software comes from Sweden and EnergyXT-Jørgen is from Norway, so the theory holds if you find an explanation for Canada's underachievement. Perhaps they focus too much on the singer/songwriter angle in music.

antto · Post by **antto** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:52 pm

thevinn wrote:Every distribution has a largest element.

now i see.. you are so very right ;]

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri May 25, 2012 6:04 am

skipscada wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:I doubt the cold has much to do with it. Sweden,Norway and Canada are pretty damn cold too most of the year.
Lots of audio software comes from Sweden and EnergyXT-Jørgen is from Norway, so the theory holds if you find an explanation for Canada's underachievement. Perhaps they focus too much on the singer/songwriter angle in music.

Well Jörgen is only one guy and Norway has roughly the same amount of inhabitants as Finland. I can think of 3 Finns right now on the top of my head.

Now i'm thinking they're more visual due to the University. Maybe they publish more papers thus giving the impressions there's lots of them. While Swedish engineers mainly research stuff related to audio but don't present them in an audio context.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Fri May 25, 2012 7:18 am

In the 90ties Finland was very heavily represented in the "demo" scene. Efficient coding is something learnt very early on there me thinks, maybe even in Finnish primary schools? Like gospel singing in church shows who's got talent for it that has to be nurished. The old USSR was also quite good at seeking the talented ones (chess, gymnastics) early on...

mystran · Post by **mystran** » Fri May 25, 2012 1:51 pm

BertKoor wrote:In the 90ties Finland was very heavily represented in the "demo" scene. Efficient coding is something learnt very early on there me thinks, maybe even in Finnish primary schools?

Good luck finding a primary school teacher that knows how to write code (now or then).

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri May 25, 2012 2:24 pm

Finns are doing quite well in the computer/technology area in general and also some very specific sports related areas. I mean just look at this list:

- Angry Birds
- Max Payne
- 3D Mark (same guys as Max Payne.. aka the Remedy dudes, right? Also the former Future Crew)
- Nokia
- Genelec
- Antti !

- Assembly demo competition (I attended the first one.. does that make me special?

) and in general the huge demo scene

Sports:

- Rally
- F1 .. motor sports in general
- tons of support people in various sports genres, tons of personal trainers from Finland

In general I think we are pretty "tech savvy" and extremely pedantic. "Passion" and "hotheadedness" is quite low on the list of traits.. unless we are drunk. That's when we are either loud and merry or grab a shotgun and kill our next of kin, spouses or ourselves.

Yeah, we are a strange bunch of people.

I feel kind of like an outsider.. I kept failing the acoustics 101 at the TKK (http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/ ). I'm just another dropout basically.

Oh well..

Cheers!
bManic

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:22 pm

bmanic wrote: - F1

You don't say! If you meet a Finn male the chance he has raced in Formula One is is about 1 in 500 000 (may not sound like much but compared it to any other country). And if you do, the chance that he's a champion is like 50/50. That's pretty astonishing.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:30 pm

Jupiter, I hope you won't mind a small spelling fix in your revised subject line.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:35 pm

Meffy wrote:Jupiter, I hope you won't mind a small spelling fix in your revised subject line.

What did i spell wrong ? And no,i don't mind.

Ichad.c · Post by **Ichad.c** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:48 pm

bmanic wrote:Finns are doing quite well in the computer/technology area in general and also some very specific sports related areas. I mean just look at this list:

- Angry Birds
- Max Payne
- 3D Mark (same guys as Max Payne.. aka the Remedy dudes, right? Also the former Future Crew)
- Nokia
- Genelec
- Antti !
- Assembly demo competition (I attended the first one.. does that make me special? ) and in general the huge demo scene

Sports:

- Rally
- F1 .. motor sports in general
- tons of support people in various sports genres, tons of personal trainers from Finland

The only thing we're good at is Rugby. The only other thing we have is this:
http://dieantwoord.com/

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:57 pm

Changed Soumi to Suomi.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri May 25, 2012 4:57 pm

No takers on the Nokia Effect theory ? From what i've heard and experienced Finland was a pretty poor (as in no money) country before Nokias success with mobile phones and now they're not. It wouldn't be that far fetched to think that Nokia has invested in a good DSP university to ensure future engineers.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:01 pm

Meffy wrote:Changed Soumi to Suomi.

Ah ok,it even took me a while to see the error even now that you pointed it out to me.

Funny normally typos sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I can quickly scan say a newspaper and the typos just like shine into my eyes.

Though that is mostly in Swedish and English. My Finnish was never any good (not completely true,according to my parents i spoke Finnish as a child due to a Finnish friend but i don't even remember that).

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:16 pm

jupiter8 wrote:No takers on the Nokia Effect theory ? From what i've heard and experienced Finland was a pretty poor (as in no money) country before Nokias success with mobile phones and now they're not. It wouldn't be that far fetched to think that Nokia has invested in a good DSP university to ensure future engineers.

Well it's not just Nokia. We already had a pretty good forest/paper industry way before Nokia telecommunications division was born. We also had (and still have) KONE, makers of all kinds of large industry machines but probably most famous for their elevators, well at least here in Finland.

We also had some pretty high tech stuff from the 18th century, like Fiskars scissors, axes and such.

We are just that kind of people I guess.

Oh and apparently we used to be (can't verify if we still are.. I sure as hell ain't!) rather effective soldiers. Apparently there is an old saying in Sweden ".. and we fought until the very last Finn!" (at least according to my late grandfather).

The deadliest soldier throughout history of warfare was a Finn, a sniper called Simo Häyhä.

EDIT: yeah.. got a bit offtopic there.

Like I said.. we are very strange.

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Fri May 25, 2012 5:30 pm

bmanic wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:No takers on the Nokia Effect theory ? From what i've heard and experienced Finland was a pretty poor (as in no money) country before Nokias success with mobile phones and now they're not. It wouldn't be that far fetched to think that Nokia has invested in a good DSP university to ensure future engineers.
Well it's not just Nokia. We already had a pretty good forest/paper industry way before Nokia telecommunications division was born. We also had (and still have) KONE, makers of all kinds of large industry machines but probably most famous for their elevators, well at least here in Finland.

We also had some pretty high tech stuff from the 18th century, like Fiskars scissors, axes and such.

Yeah and don't forget the maritime industry, Wärtsilä and whatnot.

I just checked and it seems my reports on the Nokia miracle was way overestimated. There's no particularly big growth during the mobile phone introduction (at least not compared to Sweden).

bmanic wrote:Like I said.. we are very strange.

True that. Kinda isolated for large parts of history living under the shadow of the Soviet Union. The language no one even knows where it comes from. And so on.

EDIT: Simo Häyhä
Damn that's the funniest thing i've read all week.

DSP and Finland (Suomi lovefest).