All "pros" moving over to Logic, why?

[softska]

So what you are saying is there is no way to actually win?

Wanna bet on Bitwig solving all of our DAW problems?

No thanks!

Aw comon kitty kitty kitty...

[hibidy]

Nope. I love talking about it, have no real hopes or expectations for about 5000 reasons.

[Captain]

Some thoughts about the piece of software in question.

I have no idea what "pros" use (or what a "pro" even is) and I couldn't care less, but I know I have used Logic since the very first beta versions on PC. That means I have now used it to make a living for... about 17 years I think, switching between Mac and PC for a couple of times along the way (nowadays I obviously run it on Mac ).

Logic is a dear enemy for me, to use the old expression. A couple of years ago, I got fed up (for the Nth time) with the constant problems and bugs in the program, and started adding them to a list as I encountered them. That list contains over 40 bugs to date, although some might be duplicates, or fixed in some recent updates. Still, many of them are real, repeatable bugs, some minor irritations that are relatively easy to circumvent (Logic claims that a track is frozen and doesn't let you do edits, when the track is not frozen or even can not be frozen), some of them showstoppers in certain situations (fades cause cracks'n'pops in flexed audio, take folders can suddenly stop producing audio for no apparent reason, etc).

Most of the problems arise when projects get bigger and use more and more of Logic's features and combine them in various ways. For example, lots of take folders that contain flexed audio is a sure way to disaster. As long as you keep your projects simple, and maybe don't use that much audio tracks, I guess everything is more or less fine.

Still, I have semi-seriously considered all the available DAWs on the market a couple of times, and always ended up with Logic again. It has mainly been due to Logic's built-it plugins and programmable MIDI environment, but to tell the truth, I don't use those as much as I used to. Most of the plugins I use nowadays are 3rd party anyway, so maybe it's time to check out other DAWs once again, dunno.

Probably the worst thing with Logic is that especially now that it's owned by Apple, you have absolutely no real support or any kind of contact with the developers. All programs have bugs, but you might as well shout into a black hole if you encounter one in Logic and try to do something about it. Updates are released pretty often, but they _always_ address some vague bugs you have never seen, and _never_ do anything about the real problems that at least I encounter in almost every project. I don't know if Apple is preparing to do a major overhaul of Logic, there have certainly been some rumors to support that. In my opinion, whatever they do, it can't be for the worse. (But don't quote me on that...)

There. Bottom line - I can warmly recommend Logic, but use it at your own risk.

[Jace-BeOS]

Excellent post Captain. The more a person uses a piece of software, the deeper they go, the more features used, the worse it looks. Developers of big products never fully test their changes & bugs get remediated to the "will not fix" pile unless it interferes with sales.

I was all Sonar until my PC died. It has a lot of problems apparently only I had ever noticed (validated by support, but I assure you the developers haven't fixed them).

It seems the longer I use something, the more I hate it. I get proficient and use more features and the tool fails to keep up. Most products do this to me. Even my iPhone, which I love, bothers the crap out of me when trying to type with two fingers (it LOOKS like you can do it, but landscape mode is not designed to be a two thumb keyboard for anyone of any speed; all "th" words have 80% chance of losing the "t" because it assumes the speedy typing was an error). Once a user becomes fully familiar with a tool, they get fast with it. From my experience, if it's computerized, the tool won't keep up (holy crap this forum sucks on iPhone).

I'd been experimenting with Logic on a MacBook Pro for a little while when the PC was unavailable and apparently the universe wants me to stay there. Surely I'll feel equally irritated with Logic eventually...

Everyone talks about "pro" vs "not pro." Make a living on it? Pro. Make some money on it? Still pro. Make no money but spend all your time on it? STILL pro.

[afreshcupofjoe]

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here is some actual hard data on DAW popularity:

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permali ... 23software





As you can see, Logic is not anywhere near taking over the professional DAW scene. It's not even gaining popularity the fastest.

This data correlates exactly with my own experience which is that Pro Tools is still by far the most popular DAW among professionals, and then FL Studio and Ableton Live follow close behind as the most popular DAWs among bedroom producers and electronic musicians. As far as I can tell from my friends in the industry, Ableton Live is still the hottest DAW of the moment and will probably overtake FL Studio soon as the second most popular DAW. Logic is steadily gaining users too, but not as rapidly as Ableton Live. I see most of the push towards Logic as being due to the growing base of Mac users more than anything else, not becasue it offers anything significantly better than any of the others.

So, there you have it. There is definitely not some mass exodus to Logic, but there is a large movement away from Cubase happening, and many of those users will probably end up on Logic if they are on a MAC. What you are experiencing is mostly just a coincidence.

-Joe

[Meffy]

Thanks

Wonder whether the OP has read any of the replies yet. Hasn't posted any.

[trimph1]

Another drop and run?

[liquidsound]

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here is some actual hard data on DAW popularity:

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permali ... 23software





As you can see, Logic is not anywhere near taking over the professional DAW scene. It's not even gaining popularity the fastest.

This data correlates exactly with my own experience which is that Pro Tools is still by far the most popular DAW among professionals, and then FL Studio and Ableton Live follow close behind as the most popular DAWs among bedroom producers and electronic musicians. As far as I can tell from my friends in the industry, Ableton Live is still the hottest DAW of the moment and will probably overtake FL Studio soon as the second most popular DAW. Logic is steadily gaining users too, but not as rapidly as Ableton Live. I see most of the push towards Logic as being due to the growing base of Mac users more than anything else, not becasue it offers anything significantly better than any of the others.

So, there you have it. There is definitely not some mass exodus to Logic, but there is a large movement away from Cubase happening, and many of those users will probably end up on Logic if they are on a MAC. What you are experiencing is mostly just a coincidence.

-Joe

Finally some facts! No bad for a TOY.... at #7.....
And the mighty Reaper?
for FL even though I can't get into the groove to be able to do something with it

[the tone ranger]

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here is some actual hard data on DAW popularity:

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permali ... 23software

you can't really read to much into this. did you read how they got the data?

[mcnoone]

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here is some actual hard data on DAW popularity:
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permali ... 23software
As you can see, Logic is not anywhere near taking over the professional DAW scene. It's not even gaining popularity the fastest.
-Joe

Well it's biased data.
If Logic was on the PC, of course the usage would be much higher.
In fact, it would be at the top, although there's no way to know, just like the so called hard data your link shows.
It depends on the platform...and your hard data does not reflect that.

[Jace-BeOS]

Any stats on why Cubase & Sonar are falling?

Based on my reading of those two Future Publishing music mags, I'm surprised at Logic's low numbers. Also, Adobe Audition isn't a DAW. I mean, Reason wasn't either until v6 (I'm shocked how low the score is there any way), but it always was capable of full music construction with synths. Audition is just a glorified editor (like Sound Forge, but clumsier).

[Jace-BeOS]

Wait... That's based on Internet searches? That means people looking for help... All makes sense now

[liquidsound]

Wait... That's based on Internet searches? That means people looking for help... All makes sense now

If Protools is mostly used by the Pros, so I can't see your comment being accurate because Pros would not go around asking for help more than any one of us combined.....

[mcnoone]

Wait... That's based on Internet searches? That means people looking for help... All makes sense now

If Protools is mostly used by the Pros, so I can't see your comment being accurate because Pros would not go around asking for help more than any one of us combined.....

No. It means Logic users don't need to go asking around on the net for help.
It just woooooooorrrrrrrrrkkkkkksssssss!!!!

[afreshcupofjoe]

you can't really read to much into this. did you read how they got the data?

Yes, it's not the not reliable methodology, but unfortunately this is the only data we have, so it will have to do. Internet searches have shown to be a fairly solid indicator of popularity and general market trends despite the fact that some people here want to dismiss them so readily. Also, the results are exactly what I would expect given my own personal anecdotal experience.