All "pros" moving over to Logic, why?

[t3toooo]

unless apple implement the wig features for the bits i refuse to use it!

[trimph1]

How did they do it on those old 8bit systems?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I've a Tandy 1000 TL/2 (as interesting as IBM clones got), Apple IIgs (x2), Commodore 64 (x12??), Atari Mega ST & Amiga 1200 (x2). All because I thought it might be "fun" to create a "retro" studio setup. End result: I'm amazed people got so much done with this stuff, musically. Each has it's own unique character, hardware & software, but there's nothing in my pile of retro that can't be simulated on modern equipment in a much more comfortable GUI & with ease of data exchange (& faster!). So, lesson learned about retro cool. It's retro for a reason and cool only in as much as it was unique & an eventual underdog lost against doing everything on one cpu, monolithic style.

And, goodness, the size of them pixels!!!

The size of the pixels is great innit? Everything looked so dot-matrix back then...I got the bolded ones myself...still use them as well...

[mr president]

No matter what you use for your DAW.
Export some stems and import them in whatever DAW the "pro" studio uses

I agree, but it depends on the soundcard youre running. I have a bog standard creative "professional" 0404 with the same converters as the pro tools system, ive read this several times everywhere as well as on the soundcard manuals and stuff, needless to say there is a distinct difference between when i bounce down on this soundcard and the crap thats provided as is with the PC's ive bought..

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep04/a ... mu0404.htm

[mcnoone]

Has anyone used or is anyone using ProTools here?
Can you please tell me what kinds of instrument plugins and samples it comes with?
Are they any good?

[michat]

No matter what you use for your DAW.
Export some stems and import them in whatever DAW the "pro" studio uses

Amateur DAW stems don't sound as good as pro DAWs like Pro Tools.

And THAT'S the reason why I record my Cubase tracks through my Mackie CR1604

[Meffy]

Has anyone used or is anyone using ProTools here?

Nope.

Can you please tell me what kinds of instrument plugins and samples it comes with?
Are they any good?

The kind that use the protocol. Of course they're good, the name says "Pro" and they couldn't print it in the newspaper if it weren't true.

[chuck death]

I agree, but it depends on the soundcard youre running. I have a bog standard creative "professional" 0404 with the same converters as the pro tools system, ive read this several times everywhere as well as on the soundcard manuals and stuff, needless to say there is a distinct difference between when i bounce down on this soundcard and the crap thats provided as is with the PC's ive bought..

Erm... you do realise bouncing down has nothing whatsoever to do with your soundcard? You don't even need to have a soundcard fitted to bounce tracks down within a DAW, it's an internal process that does not require or use external hardware.

Did you mean you're bouncing down from an external source to your PC or indeed from a PC to an external recorder? It's only in these situations that your sound card would be involved in a bounce down i.e. one's where audio is coming into or out of the computer. In those situations, your card would indeed make a difference. Otherwise all bounce downs within a DAW are undertaken within the DAW and the soundcard is not involved.

[mr president]

I agree, but it depends on the soundcard youre running. I have a bog standard creative "professional" 0404 with the same converters as the pro tools system, ive read this several times everywhere as well as on the soundcard manuals and stuff, needless to say there is a distinct difference between when i bounce down on this soundcard and the crap thats provided as is with the PC's ive bought..

Erm... you do realise bouncing down has nothing whatsoever to do with your soundcard? You don't even need to have a soundcard fitted to bounce tracks down within a DAW, it's an internal process that does not require or use external hardware.

Did you mean you're bouncing down from an external source to your PC or indeed from a PC to an external recorder? It's only in these situations that your sound card would be involved in a bounce down i.e. one's where audio is coming into or out of the computer. In those situations, your card would indeed make a difference. Otherwise all bounce downs within a DAW are undertaken within the DAW and the soundcard is not involved.

My software dont run without internal audio driver or soundcard as thers nothing to process the audio through. Without the driver the sound engine wont even play back. The sound card processes the audio back on forth through the onboard converters ADDA conversion and the better they are makes a lot of difference, if not nobody would care what sound card they use

[mr president]

I agree, but it depends on the soundcard youre running. I have a bog standard creative "professional" 0404 with the same converters as the pro tools system, ive read this several times everywhere as well as on the soundcard manuals and stuff, needless to say there is a distinct difference between when i bounce down on this soundcard and the crap thats provided as is with the PC's ive bought..

Erm... you do realise bouncing down has nothing whatsoever to do with your soundcard? You don't even need to have a soundcard fitted to bounce tracks down within a DAW, it's an internal process that does not require or use external hardware.

Did you mean you're bouncing down from an external source to your PC or indeed from a PC to an external recorder? It's only in these situations that your sound card would be involved in a bounce down i.e. one's where audio is coming into or out of the computer. In those situations, your card would indeed make a difference. Otherwise all bounce downs within a DAW are undertaken within the DAW and the soundcard is not involved.

In sonar x1 theres a live bounce feature, where the sound is played back through
the sound card as i watch it happen. So it sure does depend on what soundcard im doing during the "Live" Bounce from as i can tell from the qualtiy of the playback. Otherwise how is the audio being processed with out a sound card and driver as the medium of which to convert the audio from binary code into sound waves and back, Analog to digital converters, they are not just for recording and getting the audio back out, it handles all the sound processing, or why even bother with soundcards, just bounce down without and let the pc processor
handle all the AD-DA conversion. In fact, why didnt i think of that before, from now on ill use your advice

[mr president]

I agree, but it depends on the soundcard youre running. I have a bog standard creative "professional" 0404 with the same converters as the pro tools system, ive read this several times everywhere as well as on the soundcard manuals and stuff, needless to say there is a distinct difference between when i bounce down on this soundcard and the crap thats provided as is with the PC's ive bought..

Erm... you do realise bouncing down has nothing whatsoever to do with your soundcard? You don't even need to have a soundcard fitted to bounce tracks down within a DAW, it's an internal process that does not require or use external hardware.

Did you mean you're bouncing down from an external source to your PC or indeed from a PC to an external recorder? It's only in these situations that your sound card would be involved in a bounce down i.e. one's where audio is coming into or out of the computer. In those situations, your card would indeed make a difference. Otherwise all bounce downs within a DAW are undertaken within the DAW and the soundcard is not involved.

In sonar x1 theres a live bounce feature, where the sound is played back through
the sound card as i watch it happen. So it sure does depend on what soundcard im doing during the "Live" Bounce from as i can tell from the qualtiy of the playback. Otherwise how is the audio being processed with out a sound card and driver as the medium of which to convert the audio from binary code into sound waves and back, Analog to digital converters, they are not just for recording and getting the audio back out, it handles all the sound processing, or why even bother with soundcards, just bounce down without and let the pc processor
handle all the AD-DA conversion. In fact, why didnt i think of that before, from now on ill use your advice

Soz pal. forgot about offline rendering, just tried as id forgot that the audio is alreay converted so its just the audio being digitally encoded again. My mistake

Anyway, point im making is if you have a better sound card it makes a serious
difference to how you mix the files before you render them down, so in essence the render will be a better digital representation of the sound you have mixed, a bit like cheap monitors and good monitors, rather than rendering the audio blindly without a sound card for reference. But if thats your thing go for it!!

again my sincere apologies, just shows how far you can have your head so far up your own bottom

[Fixed Error]

I'd like to know who these so-called pros are. I've had to use pretty much all of the major DAWs in my job and I know most of them pretty well. In my humble experience, I found Logic to be OK. No better or worse. It has some nifty features but lacks others. The price is right though. Actually the DAW that made me unexpectedly salivating was Studio One V2. For me, it kinda took many of the features of other DAWs that I Like (most notably Cubase and Ableton Live) and rolled them into one. But thats just me.

[mcnoone]

I'd like to know who these so-called pros are. I've had to use pretty much all of the major DAWs in my job and I know most of them pretty well. In my humble experience, I found Logic to be OK. No better or worse. It has some nifty features but lacks others. The price is right though. Actually the DAW that made me unexpectedly salivating was Studio One V2. For me, it kinda took many of the features of other DAWs that I Like (most notably Cubase and Ableton Live) and rolled them into one. But thats just me.

It would seem then, that you aren't concerned with the "plugins" that a daw has already included.
Logics, plugins and samples, are not just "ok".
They are some of the best plugins available anywhere in my opinion and the opinion of many others, regardless of whether they are professionals or amateurs.
There, are few synths, samplers, or fx that sound as good, for the same price range, and out of any other daw.

Studio One2 has some serious cpu usage issues from what I've read about it.
I'm now looking into ProTools to see what plugins it includes, and it looking actually pretty thin, in comparison to Logics plugins, at the moment.
Live only includes plugins with the suite or buying separately, and all of them at an expense much greater than the current LogicPro price.

It sounds like your opinion is not based on that of a long time user, but of a short time user. Which doesn't really give us a good idea of why it's just ok.
As every daw, to someone unfamiliar with it's inner workings, is just ok, as they simply never learned to use it, and to sound more than OK using it.
Lets just ignore the OP's "professionals" for a minute, then realize that Apple has some serious numbers, of increased sales with this daw, and with 2 good reasons.
It's cheaper than most.
It's better than most.

The only ones I've heard disliking it, are non apple computer owners, (in which case I don't even understand why they would post in an apple thread, except to flame-bait) and people who never take the time to learn how to use it, or even tried using it for more than one track, if that.

[b-pole]

The only ones I've heard disliking it, are non apple computer owners, (in which case I don't even understand why they would post in an apple thread, except to flame-bait) and people who never take the time to learn how to use it, or even tried using it for more than one track, if that.

[michat]

I'd like to know who these so-called pros are. I've had to use pretty much all of the major DAWs in my job and I know most of them pretty well. In my humble experience, I found Logic to be OK. No better or worse. It has some nifty features but lacks others. The price is right though. Actually the DAW that made me unexpectedly salivating was Studio One V2. For me, it kinda took many of the features of other DAWs that I Like (most notably Cubase and Ableton Live) and rolled them into one. But thats just me.

Logic has got the best internal effects I know (although I don't use it because of windoze DAW )

I own and use Cubase 5 and as far as I can remember the internal fx are shitty since version VST 3.5 (yes, long time ago).

The tape delay (or what it is called) from logic is GREAT!

A pro using PT which comes into my mind ad hoc is Hans Zimmer.

[trimph1]

The only ones I've heard disliking it, are non apple computer owners, (in which case I don't even understand why they would post in an apple thread, except to flame-bait) and people who never take the time to learn how to use it, or even tried using it for more than one track, if that.

Good one!!

I've only putzed with it a few times myself, and actually enjoyed using it. The internal effects are good on their own.