which software effect is best to replace my Boss SE-70

[zerocrossing]

@ghettosynth: yes, and I don't understand why.... I guess most guitar players want the distorted tones so manufacturers oblige....


@izonin: will listen to the audiodamage stuff. If I recall they don't have demos but offer money back guarantee? Although I always feel 'funny' when I basically am saying I don't like your stuff, can I get my money back please

thanks
rsp

I did exactly that with Discord, but I swapped it for another plug which I like... I think maybe Axon (a drum/sequencer vst) Discord seemed to have some really nasty internal clipping that was too easy to fall into. Chris was easy to deal with.

However, do not under any circumstances buy Audio Damage stuff used. If it doesn't work, you're S.O.L. and will get little to no support. I bought Dubstation and it's never worked in my machine and Chris now just ignores my emails.

[metalifuxx]

I am a guitarist, but I hate that with just about every marketed multi fx pedal/processor, that company thinks everyone wants digital distortion and amp sim plus compression and eq, that takes up a used and often limited fx DSP slot, which often can't be turned off or used/substituted for say an extra modulation or delay/reverb. Why call it a multi fx then if that stuff can't be switched about. Call it a "digital ampsim/distortion unit plus post effects" then.

A good multi effects unit should have a main input for effects pre amp input, and then a send/return output for revebs/delays to possibly be placed in your amp's effect loop. And a mode and switches to turn each of those individual effects on or off like a stompbox. Not everyone is a giging guitarist that uses the preset/banking system for their assigned preset bar cover song setlist.

Why can't the big effect companies get this right, without charging $500+ for it. The Line 6 M9/M13 look cool and fit that, but I am not sure if it's $500 cool.

[zvenx]

I am a guitarist, but I hate that with just about every marketed multi fx pedal/processor, that company thinks everyone wants digital distortion and amp sim plus compression and eq, that takes up a used and often limited fx DSP slot, which often can't be turned off or used/substituted for say an extra modulation or delay/reverb. Why call it a multi fx then if that stuff can't be switched about. Call it a "digital ampsim/distortion unit plus post effects" then.

A good multi effects unit should have a main input for effects pre amp input, and then a send/return output for revebs/delays to possibly be placed in your amp's effect loop. And a mode and switches to turn each of those individual effects on or off like a stompbox. Not everyone is a giging guitarist that uses the preset/banking system for their assigned preset bar cover song setlist.

Why can't the big effect companies get this right, without charging $500+ for it. The Line 6 M9/M13 look cool and fit that, but I am not sure if it's $500 cool.

I am with you in this camp...been looking at the gt-100 since yesterday and I don't need digital ampsim/distortion etc.......just some good old stomp box emulations.......that's all...

rsp

[zvenx]

.........

Well, noise is always an issue when you're dealing with outboard gear, of course and even more so because of the guitar factor. My guitars are pretty good, as guitars go, in the noise front, but maybe I'm less bothered by it too.

I wonder if your noise issue could be coming from something else that's changed? don't have any direct experience with the SE-70 but I don't remember the VF-1 being noisy at all unless you were doing things with the (crappy) built in compressor or the bad amp models with high gain, but that's to be expected to some degree and the VF-1 seemed to be as good as any in that dept.

I bought a Kemper Profiling Amplifer and a Pod HD500. My idea is to use the Pod as a midi controller and some extra effects for the Kemper, but if that doesn't work out I'll return the Pod and go Blackstar HT-5 Dual>Kemper>Lexicon MPX-1 and use a Behringer FCB-1010 as a controller. The other possibility is if the Kemper doesn't blow me away to go Pod HD500/DT25 into a Revira Silent Sister iso cab, but I'm hoping to not have to deal with that level of rigmarole. (with an emphasis on "rig!")

Just googled the Kemper....ok then..... looks nice, will listen to samples later........I don't gig as a electronic guitarist and don't quite see that in my foreseeable future , I assume you do....
I recently got my SE-70 serviced, so I am not sure there is any unusual high amount of noise coming from it.. could also be my guitar which isn't well shielded at all......been meaning to have it done, just haven;t as yet (have to ship it from jamaica to new york and back again ).....I am not sure if I have bypassed the internal compressor, I will check on that..

thanks
rsp

[metalifuxx]

I am a guitarist, but I hate that with just about every marketed multi fx pedal/processor, that company thinks everyone wants digital distortion and amp sim plus compression and eq, that takes up a used and often limited fx DSP slot, which often can't be turned off or used/substituted for say an extra modulation or delay/reverb. Why call it a multi fx then if that stuff can't be switched about. Call it a "digital ampsim/distortion unit plus post effects" then.

A good multi effects unit should have a main input for effects pre amp input, and then a send/return output for revebs/delays to possibly be placed in your amp's effect loop. And a mode and switches to turn each of those individual effects on or off like a stompbox. Not everyone is a giging guitarist that uses the preset/banking system for their assigned preset bar cover song setlist.

Why can't the big effect companies get this right, without charging $500+ for it. The Line 6 M9/M13 look cool and fit that, but I am not sure if it's $500 cool.

I am with you in this camp...been looking at the gt-100 since yesterday and I don't need digital ampsim/distortion etc.......just some good old stomp box emulations.......that's all...

rsp

That's been a major peeve of mine for some years. That's the first thing I check/look for when a new unit has been relased. I go straight to the specs/operational info section. Can the cheap digital distortion/amp sim/compression/EQ be completely turned off and substituted and not take up an unused DSP. No? Ok, no interest/demo/sale, moving on and forgetting about this product...

[zerocrossing]

Line 6 M9/M13 look cool and fit that, but I am not sure if it's $500 cool.

Especially when you see that the M13 has been included in the HD500 and they're the same price.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

ZVENX, Just out of curiosity, Is your electric guitar(s) packing single-coil pickups? The non-noiseless variety? If so that could and probably is the main issue I would suspect. Shielding is rather an easy task which you can do yourself with some adhessive copper tape and it is worth using shielded hookup wire to connect all the electronics to be sure (pickups, pots and switches). The DIY area should already have all the info you would need dude

BTW: Agree about these slew of digital pre-amps in the multi-fx boards pretty much, Even worse is the digital stompbox boosts/overdrive/distortion pedal models F'ckin awful. Sometimes the pre-amp models can be good/usable but it is really hit and miss. It would be good to see the powers that be do two versions 'Multi-FX' only and 'Bells & Whistles' boards. Doubt they will though so we go for over priced line-6 M-series (it needs halving in price since the POD HD came out) or TC's stuff, Even Eventide rack units with extra hassle of hooking up and diddling about with MIDI boards...ARGGGGHHH Just get it damned right, Get a team of product designers that all actually play themselves and a good useful board would be born (As in no shite only a few people would use). At least TC's Nova System has a fully analogue boost/overdrive which is a start if one likes to fit the amps front-end with a good boost/od like myself (and many, many others). I have quite a few multi-fx and boards but for ease of use tend to stick with single boxes which each do one thing and do it well for gigs and alot of the time in the studio also. For a guy like me who is tuned really low the bass versions of some of the boards/multi-fx are alot more useful as they tend to be dual-band so I can keep the low-end clean/un-affected for example with chorus...Maybe go for a bass version as it will not have much dirt stuff on offer (I like the BassPODXT2 and GT-8b/10b jobs myself...YMMV)

Best to all

Dean

[codec_spurt]

I used to have an SE-50 - The little brother.

Not bad at all. I'd love to have something like that in software.
I have given up on multi-fx units in vst form. But I have been spoilt.
Ensoniq DP-4. Mmmm.....


I got a Fender Mustang - the little one. The Fuse software is a bit incompatible with some of the systems I try it on, but when it works it is great.


I don't think anyone has done or could do a multi-fx like these (Se-70, DP-4)
in software. The closest I have come is CamelSpace.

[zvenx]

ZVENX, Just out of curiosity, Is your electric guitar(s) packing single-coil pickups? The non-noiseless variety? If so that could and probably is the main issue I would suspect. Shielding is rather an easy task which you can do yourself with some adhessive copper tape and it is worth using shielded hookup wire to connect all the electronics to be sure (pickups, pots and switches). The DIY area should already have all the info you would need dude

BTW: Agree about these slew of digital pre-amps in the multi-fx boards pretty much, Even worse is the digital stompbox boosts/overdrive/distortion pedal models F'ckin awful. Sometimes the pre-amp models can be good/usable but it is really hit and miss. It would be good to see the powers that be do two versions 'Multi-FX' only and 'Bells & Whistles' boards. Doubt they will though so we go for over priced line-6 M-series (it needs halving in price since the POD HD came out) or TC's stuff, Even Eventide rack units with extra hassle of hooking up and diddling about with MIDI boards...ARGGGGHHH Just get it damned right, Get a team of product designers that all actually play themselves and a good useful board would be born (As in no shite only a few people would use). At least TC's Nova System has a fully analogue boost/overdrive which is a start if one likes to fit the amps front-end with a good boost/od like myself (and many, many others). I have quite a few multi-fx and boards but for ease of use tend to stick with single boxes which each do one thing and do it well for gigs and alot of the time in the studio also. For a guy like me who is tuned really low the bass versions of some of the boards/multi-fx are alot more useful as they tend to be dual-band so I can keep the low-end clean/un-affected for example with chorus...Maybe go for a bass version as it will not have much dirt stuff on offer (I like the BassPODXT2 and GT-8b/10b jobs myself...YMMV)

Best to all

Dean

hi, it is an ibanez s-540 and does need shielding and yes it does have a single coil in the mid position...but that's only maybe 30% of the noise at most....it is just old hardware
rsp

[Mister Natural]

M-Audio Black Box does terrific cleans for me as a USB interface . . .

add it's very nice delay and filter whacky stuff

best of luck !

[zvenx]

thanks
rsp

[chroma]

one thing to remember is that while the se70 runs at 48KHz when doing 'single' sounds, if you were used to using the 'macro' presets (the long chains for guitar, bass, or keyboard), when you go to any of those chains the sampling rate drops to 32Khz. so maybe try putting a low pass filter around 16Khz in your chain somewhere and see if it gets you closer.

[chj]

Your audio clips didn't sound noisy. I'm thinking of getting a SE70.

[zvenx]

Your audio clips didn't sound noisy. I'm thinking of getting a SE70.

....ok....its all a matter of taste I guess... but for me they were noisy

But I am guessing I am one of the few who doesn't miss vinyl etc...
rsp

[zerocrossing]

Your audio clips didn't sound noisy. I'm thinking of getting a SE70.

....ok....its all a matter of taste I guess... but for me they were noisy

But I am guessing I am one of the few who doesn't miss vinyl etc...
rsp

They actually sound pretty hissy to me too... but it sounds less like guitar noise and more like pre-amp hiss magnified by a compressor. Sounds like it may be gated too... like there's some sort of comp-ander. What's your gain staging like? Are you going into the line in or the instrument in? (I remember the VF-1 had both, not sure about the SE-70) What's the height of your pickups? Cable length? Before I ditch the SE-70 I'd spend a good amount of time looking at my gain stage. Recently I was noticing some noisy crap when using high gain sounds in Amplitube. Not all of them though, so I was blaming the software. It turned out that I had a cable that wasn't making a solid connection in the jack of my guitar. Swapped it and the problem went away.

I still get basic hum and what-not though. I've got all sorts of issues... lots of wall warts... a light with a dimmer... more than one computer, etc. I've learned to more or less ignore it.