Trying to stay away from buying virus ti any soft synths sound as good or better?

[Richard_Synapse]

Well Dunes FAT mode gives you 7 detuned saws per OSC of which there are two. Times 8 Unison.

14*8 = 112. Then if you want to count the sub osc thats another 8 giving 120 total.

The Virus' hypersaw however is up to 9 saws per osc (2) + sub saw. Thats 19 per note. You then have a unison of 16 that can be applied. Thats 304 saws per voice.

Elextrax gives you 10 per osc with their ultrasaw (which is not stereo spreadable) with 3 oscs per voice giving you 30. Across 4 layers thats 120 per voice (like DUNE). However I jut realized that unlike their other synths Electrax has no unsion feature!I thought it had it.

The Virus' hypersaw however is up to 9 saws per osc (2) + sub saw. Thats 19 per note. You then have a unison of 16 that can be applied. Thats 304 saws per voice.

With linear tuning, unlike the JP-8000 and Dune. This is a very important aspect shaping the supersaw sound, whether the cap is 100 or 5000 saws is largely irrelevant. Also note the JP-8000 could do no more than 14 saws (and that only using both parts), and it's still a popular machine.

Richard

[Aiynzahev]

Well Dunes FAT mode gives you 7 detuned saws per OSC of which there are two. Times 8 Unison.

14*8 = 112. Then if you want to count the sub osc thats another 8 giving 120 total.

The Virus' hypersaw however is up to 9 saws per osc (2) + sub saw. Thats 19 per note. You then have a unison of 16 that can be applied. Thats 304 saws per voice.

Elextrax gives you 10 per osc with their ultrasaw (which is not stereo spreadable) with 3 oscs per voice giving you 30. Across 4 layers thats 120 per voice (like DUNE). However I jut realized that unlike their other synths Electrax has no unsion feature!I thought it had it.

The Virus' hypersaw however is up to 9 saws per osc (2) + sub saw. Thats 19 per note. You then have a unison of 16 that can be applied. Thats 304 saws per voice.

With linear tuning, unlike the JP-8000 and Dune. This is a very important aspect shaping the supersaw sound, whether the cap is 100 or 5000 saws is largely irrelevant. Also note the JP-8000 could do no more than 14 saws (and that only using both parts), and it's still a popular machine.

Richard

Well it gets to the point where it really doesn't matter how many saws because it sounds like noise, like you said. However I didn't realise that DUNE did not use linear detune. Care to explain this a little more? Is this the FAT detune or the Unison or both?

Also I personally feel the key is stereo unison. A hyper-ultra-uber-mega-giga-saw that is mono just does not sound as big.

It's really not easy to get it spread with effects. It's not the same. One of the things I love about the Unison on Dune is how it just instantly makes things large and powerful sounding. One of the things I imagine makes the Virus as versatile.

Sylenth1 for example has detune per osc but no overall unison. It creates a different effect. Unison can make a sort of overall glue to the sound and a nice stereo image.

[pzhuravel]

How do you guys feel about rob papens synths?

[Richard_Synapse]

Well it gets to the point where it really doesn't matter how many saws because it sounds like noise, like you said. However I didn't realise that DUNE did not use linear detune. Care to explain this a little more? Is this the FAT detune or the Unison or both?

Sure- by default, FAT is nonlinear, while Unison is linear. Since the tuning can be changed per unison voice, Unison tuning can be made nonlinear, too.

Also I personally feel the key is stereo unison. A hyper-ultra-uber-mega-giga-saw that is mono just does not sound as big.

It's really not easy to get it spread with effects. It's not the same. One of the things I love about the Unison on Dune is how it just instantly makes things large and powerful sounding. One of the things I imagine makes the Virus as versatile.

Yeah. While unison is a feature around since ages, the Virus was probably the first synth to remove the restrictions of old hardware (ie unison=playing all voices at once, removing polyphony, little to no control over the sound) and actually make it a useful feature, particularly in combination with pan spread. DUNE further extends this concept and allows any parameter to be changed in unison mode, not just the tuning and panorama.

Richard

[Aiynzahev]

Unison tuning can be made nonlinear, too.

Oh, how do you do that?

[mcnoone]

Unison tuning can be made nonlinear, too.

Oh, how do you do that?

Using the mod matrix to have different tunings on each voice.
I'm pretty sure that's what was meant here.

Since the tuning can be changed per unison voice

[Aiynzahev]

Unison tuning can be made nonlinear, too.

Oh, how do you do that?

Using the mod matrix to have different tunings on each voice.
I'm pretty sure that's what was meant here.

Since the tuning can be changed per unison voice

Oh okay. Thanks

[mcnoone]

Unison tuning can be made nonlinear, too.

Oh, how do you do that?

Using the mod matrix to have different tunings on each voice.
I'm pretty sure that's what was meant here.

Since the tuning can be changed per unison voice

Oh okay. Thanks

Also different detune settings for each voice as well.

[Richard_Synapse]

Using the mod matrix to have different tunings on each voice.
I'm pretty sure that's what was meant here.

Yes, exactly, you can e.g. put

"Const" "+10" "Pitch Fine" "1"

into the mod matrix to change the fine tuning of just the first voice.

Richard

[pzhuravel]

Okay guys now this is my verdict my buddy just dropped off a virus TI for me to play with over this weekend and I spent about three hours with it and to tell you honestly I am done buying software synthesizers, all this synthesizes that you've mentioned most I downloaded demos and while most of them sound pretty good especially diva and I might pick that one up everything else doesn't even come close to what the virus TI can offer now this is merely my opinion but since I started this post I wanted to see what you guys think comes close, and some of the synthesizer are pretty Funtastic but all of them are not quiet the TI. Perhaps I was looking for a certain sound that TI has and the others don't I am not quite sure but TI is a true winner. Hands-down case is closed

[braj]

"Everybody (synth) is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."
― Albert Einstein

[mcnoone]

Okay guys now this is my verdict my buddy just dropped off a virus TI for me to play with over this weekend and I spent about three hours with it and to tell you honestly I am done buying software synthesizers, all this synthesizes that you've mentioned most I downloaded demos and while most of them sound pretty good especially diva and I might pick that one up everything else doesn't even come close to what the virus TI can offer now this is merely my opinion but since I started this post I wanted to see what you guys think comes close, and some of the synthesizer are pretty Funtastic but all of them are not quiet the TI. Perhaps I was looking for a certain sound that TI has and the others don't I am not quite sure but TI is a true winner. Hands-down case is closed

Yea whatever...can you post any sound clips of some of those sounds on you like?
You know, some finger noodling or similar.
I want to hear, the sounds that can't be done on a softsynth.

[xamido]

Watch as the rest of Diva fanboy gets mad with the OP post.

[braj]

Watch as the rest of Diva fanboy gets mad with the OP post.

Ok, I'm just trying to remember not to expect you to climb a ladder.

[xamido]

Ok, I'm just trying to remember not to expect you to climb a ladder.

The question is, can you climb a ladder?