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SuperNoise · Post by **SuperNoise** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:00 am

V'ger wrote:What about going for another DAW for the month for those with DAW related issues? (You having trouble with Renoise SuperNoise?) Or is it altogether more hassle than struggling with the synth?

Not at all. I didn't notice any big issue with Minimouge VST so far (but I didn't really test it so far).
This month is quite intensive for me. I have to move my music stuff to my new music studio. Lot of things to do.
But I'm still with you guys!

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:18 pm

Oh I see, but grats with the new studio.

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:22 pm

Yet another prize, this time from Sunsine Audio:

Sunsine Audio: 1 preset or sample pack

Thanks guys

photonic · Post by **photonic** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:41 pm

Hi, this is a call for help!

I have a quad core i7 with winXP/32 and run cubase 5 essential. I never had such problems before with any other vsti. The more I use Minimogue the more I get troubles

The first issue I found was stealing notes when playing polyphonic. Even when I hold the key sometimes the sound gets lost. Also release times are sometimes hard and short when they should be soft and long. The polyphony is set to 16 voices or maximum. No influence to this effect.

Second was changing sounds. Especially when I use the VCO3 as LFO the frequency and the waveform is changing after opening a song/project.

But now, when I have more instances (only 8 sounds), I get muted tracks after opening the song. I can see incoming midi-data in the instance (viewing the instrument) but there is no sound. Sometimes I hear the first few notes and then nothing more.

And when I try to close cubase I get the error message: "Synth Edit - timeout during suspend()" and for one time also "R6025, pure virtual function call".

Any ideas?
Do someone have the golden hint for me?
Otherwise I have to quit this month. I have no other DAW and will not do major changes to my system. Normaly I am happy how it is performing.

Photonic

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:15 pm

Hm, do you use oversampling?

photonic · Post by **photonic** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:09 pm

V'ger wrote:Hm, do you use oversampling?

No! In none of the instances.

SKYZONE · Post by **SKYZONE** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:32 pm

This is a other sounddrop

Moving mogue

Host FL-studio

18 X mogue vst

4 X mogue sampled

Effect from mother host : delay , reverb , limiter

so enjoy..........

Fabrizio

SKYZONE · Post by **SKYZONE** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:21 am

photonic wrote:Hi, this is a call for help!

I have a quad core i7 with winXP/32 and run cubase 5 essential. I never had such problems before with any other vsti. The more I use Minimogue the more I get troubles

The first issue I found was stealing notes when playing polyphonic. Even when I hold the key sometimes the sound gets lost. Also release times are sometimes hard and short when they should be soft and long. The polyphony is set to 16 voices or maximum. No influence to this effect.

Second was changing sounds. Especially when I use the VCO3 as LFO the frequency and the waveform is changing after opening a song/project.

But now, when I have more instances (only 8 sounds), I get muted tracks after opening the song. I can see incoming midi-data in the instance (viewing the instrument) but there is no sound. Sometimes I hear the first few notes and then nothing more.

And when I try to close cubase I get the error message: "Synth Edit - timeout during suspend()" and for one time also "R6025, pure virtual function call".

Any ideas?
Do someone have the golden hint for me?
Otherwise I have to quit this month. I have no other DAW and will not do major changes to my system. Normaly I am happy how it is performing.

Photonic

If you have lots of free time , sampling is a option , you can make a song of it although the effect is different ones sampled you can not changes things with the knobs of mogue , but at least you can participated in the contest,
this is also a challenge and it gives you other possibilitys wish you good luck
looking forward to hear your work .

with regards

Fabrizio

photonic · Post by **photonic** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:12 am

SKYZONE wrote: If you have lots of free time , sampling is a option , you can make a song of it although the effect is different ones sampled you can not changes things with the knobs of mogue , but at least you can participated in the contest,
this is also a challenge and it gives you other possibilitys wish you good luck
looking forward to hear your work .

with regards

Fabrizio

Thank you Fabrizio!

But during composing and arrenging the song I need the vsti and not the sampled version. This would be an alternative to use the oversampling function. But I am far from that point.

Photonic

dwringer · Post by **dwringer** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:47 pm

photonic wrote: But during composing and arrenging the song I need the vsti and not the sampled version. This would be an alternative to use the oversampling function. But I am far from that point.

Photonic

Well, I tend to agree, and certainly face the same problem as I cannot use more than 4 instances of the VSTI even without any oversampling before problems emerge. I have noticed higher polyphony settings lead to more troubles, while leaving everything on Mono is rarely problematic, but I have not tested this thoroughly.

Unfortunately this is not really a "need" but a "strong desire". You won't be able to use the same arranging techniques, but by no means does this mean you can't arrange a song. IIRC George Martin and the Beatles did a lot of their mixes with 8-track tape. Sure they could overdub more easily than we can in the bounce-to-wav method, but only slightly, and they could never have the number of independent tracks that we can even still.

Here's a method I've been experimenting with, and with which I've had some success thus far:
* Make a project adding VSTi's one at a time as you think they will be used.
* Leave oversampling OFF (you might considering switching them to MONO as well) on all VSTi's.
* Turn off all the oscillators from all the VSTi's. If any instances have an oscillator "off" already, turn its gain down to 0 so you aren't tempted to reenable it.
* Switch the MiniMogues on 2 or 3 at a time for doing arranging/composing that is dependent on the dynamic interaction between those specific parts.
* When happy with a part, bounce the parts you won't be changing for a while to a .wav.
* Import the wav into your project, sequence it along side the MIDI data for its corresponding tracks.
* Turn the VSTi's back off that you used to make the .wav
* Restart your DAW!
* Repeat as needed.

This is quite exhausting but gives you a lot of freedom within the limitations of the software. At least most of the limitations I have encountered.

When finished, turn on every VST, set them all to 32x oversampling, and hope your computer has enough RAM and patience to render the whole thing to a file

SKYZONE · Post by **SKYZONE** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:31 pm

A other sounddrop

Dream like mogue

Host FL studio

15 X mogue vst

4 X mogue sampled

Effect from mother host delay , reverb and limiter

Enjoy

Fabrizio

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:19 pm

There are usually some troubles with almost every synth, but surprised by the level some are having with this..

As we can't have Synth1 for every competition and most of the trouble seems to be connected to the combination of plugin-DAW, when the plugin can't be fixed to work, the only logical advice is really to use another DAW for the period. It seems it would also be easier than hours of troubleshooting, sampling, bouncing, restarting etc.

SuperNoise · Post by **SuperNoise** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:44 pm

V'ger wrote: ...and most of the trouble seems to be connected to the combination of plugin-DAW...

What about to use an additional VST as an interface between DAW and Minimouge?
For example any VST sequencer or ZEN vst on any VST that can be transparent?

dwringer · Post by **dwringer** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:51 am

Really ambivalent on how this turned out. But I figured I'll submit it anyway!

dwringer - dark matter

MiniMogue VA Instances:
17x Sequenced in FL Studio 8, bounced to
8x .wav files, which were assembled in Reaper 4.1

Effects Used:
3x Smartelectronix Ambience Reverb
2x ReaComp
1x ParisEQ

http://soundcloud.com/dwringer/dwringer-dark-matter

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:36 pm

SuperNoise wrote:What about to use an additional VST as an interface between DAW and Minimouge?
For example any VST sequencer or ZEN vst on any VST that can be transparent?

Something I use with great effect is to have the normally slightly buggy Shortcircuit2 sampler run as a 'dedicated' process in REAPER, meaning it is run as a separate host process within the host REAPER. I don't know if other DAWs have this feature, but it is a good fix and makes (the truly excellent) Shortcircuit2 work flawlessly whereas had it been run as a normal VST process it would not.

I think both EnergyXT and FL Studio can be run as VSTs within other DAWs, but don't know if this has similar benefits - though worth trying out.

One-Synth-Challenge 41: Minimogue - Submissions and gossip