It makes perfect sense right? No more program crashes from vst's!?
What are your thoughts?
Will other DAW makers apply the Propellerhead RE concept now?
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- KVRAF
- 5175 posts since 29 Apr, 2006
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35433 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
so what 'concept' would that be? program crashes from REs?memyselfandus wrote:It makes perfect sense right? No more program crashes from vst's!?
What are your thoughts?
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- KVRAF
- 6113 posts since 7 Jan, 2005 from Corporate States of America
Cakewalk have already started doing this with Sonar X1. Same could be said for any DAW that has built in plugins which cannot be used externally. But Cakewalk sell them online as separate plugins & are 3rd party code/licensed. It's a customer trapping technique because it gets the user to feel they're invested in the product by way of non-portable add-on purchases. Add-on purchase is not a new marketing technique at all. Propellerhead is just tweaking a long extant idea with "Apple inspired" "ecosystem" goals. But again, Apple didn't invent it either. They just hit on a great formula that works & others are emulating.
As for the VST crash protection stuff, surely Steinberg could revamp the VST design to include host stability features, but you'd have to get all the hosts to change their design, too, and maybe lose backward compatibility. These kinds of changes are more likely in a small controlled environment, not an industry-wide standard. Backward compatibility is already enough of a huge bone of contention.
As for the VST crash protection stuff, surely Steinberg could revamp the VST design to include host stability features, but you'd have to get all the hosts to change their design, too, and maybe lose backward compatibility. These kinds of changes are more likely in a small controlled environment, not an industry-wide standard. Backward compatibility is already enough of a huge bone of contention.
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
Reaper should maybe get the credit not Reason, it lets you isolate buggy plugins, and I'm not sure it is the first either. Re is cool and all just I don't know how truly innovative it is. What I'd like to see is some sort of plugin management system similar for vasts that will tell you when updates are available, handle licensing etc. That is to me the more compelling side of re.
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- KVRian
- 966 posts since 16 Feb, 2010
when a large part of their promotional video is people getting so excited about the fact you can UNDO.... I start to get suspicious!braj wrote:Re is cool and all just I don't know how truly innovative it is.
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- KVRian
- 1025 posts since 1 Mar, 2003 from Exmoor
I dunno - there seems to be increasing fragmentation in the plugin market as it is. I understand why companies might be attracted by the idea, but as a user I'm not too enthusiastic.
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- KVRAF
- 1624 posts since 14 Sep, 2007 from www.koeln.de/en/
the VSTi that I use, they never crash.memyselfandus wrote:It makes perfect sense right? No more program crashes from vst's!?
What are your thoughts?
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Richard_Synapse Richard_Synapse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=245936 - KVRian
- 1187 posts since 20 Dec, 2010
VST plugins should work well in at least 10 hosts or so, then there's different sub versions, the platform and 32/64-bit which all adds yet more complexity. So we can't really compare the two.
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- KVRAF
- 16733 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Exactly. The key is that you have to bring something worthwhile to the table. I would really like to see Ableton go this route and provide an SDK for building plugins for the Live environment.kingtubby wrote:I dunno - there seems to be increasing fragmentation in the plugin market as it is. I understand why companies might be attracted by the idea, but as a user I'm not too enthusiastic.
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- KVRAF
- 5200 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
Ahaha that's a good onegamecat666 wrote:when a large part of their promotional video is people getting so excited about the fact you can UNDO.... I start to get suspicious!braj wrote:Re is cool and all just I don't know how truly innovative it is.
We debated this already and it seems like a bit overrated marketing blurb. However RE as such (just don't bother to much with "undo" nonsense) seems extremely exciting. Plenty of new colors for Reason - which is only a good thing IMHO.
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Can we UNDO the purchase. That's innovating! The rest is BS.
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- KVRAF
- 16733 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
You have a 30 day trial, I really don't know of any other softsynth environment that gives you that, do you?liquidsound wrote:Can we UNDO the purchase. That's innovating! The rest is BS.
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- KVRist
- 187 posts since 5 Mar, 2010
no, but they give me sends and auxs
and serious audio editing
and midi out
and slicing up samples...
and serious audio editing
and midi out
and slicing up samples...
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
But you forgot the most innovative technology "out there" : UNDOSeePlusPlus wrote:no, but they give me sends and auxs
and serious audio editing
and midi out
and slicing up samples...
Never heard of it before
ABEFLGMOPPRRST
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
My thoughts are based on my experience - none of the VSTs I currently use crash, but Reason 6 does. Simple.memyselfandus wrote:It makes perfect sense right? No more program crashes from vst's!?
What are your thoughts?
The rest is marketing.